[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Icon

Don't the Kings not have their 1st this year? Guess it'd have to be next year's 1st?

Or its just a random, non reliable source as I can't find this anywhere on the Sportsnet page.

People making stuff up, that is fine, but don't try and quote a reliable source without proof.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Icon

Don't the Kings not have their 1st this year? Guess it'd have to be next year's 1st?

Bernier and Toffoli

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

Of course the real kicker here is that the LA Kings don't have a 2013 first round pick right now.

Get to work Lombardi.

No, please just make it Toffoli and Bernier instead. That would be a great return.

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Bernier and Toffoli

take it & run imo

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

From the Trade Rumors Only thread:



I know it's Iginla, but I really wish we didn't hear things like this. Just adds more fuel to the fire that Ken King is sticking his fingers in the GM's business, although that may not be such a bad thing given that Feaster is losing respect with fans - and fast.

I think this gets overblown to epic proportions. It's a business and Jarome Iginla is our franchise player and a reason tickets and merchandise sell, we're at perhaps the most critical trade deadline in over a decade, you bet ownership is involved and it would be stupid not to be...it's done by committee and I wish people would just frikin understand that...

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Icon

take it & run imo

Oh definitely, but I don't think LA would send those two guys, but that would be a great return.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I doubt LA would offer that, but if they did, that would be as good as the flames could get.

They can't offer it... they don't have a 1st round pick (unless they're talking about a 2014 1st round pick).

Regardless the Flames shouldn't accept Bernier. He'll be eligible for unrestricted free agent in two years. I think we can all mostly agree that those two years aren't likely to be part of a window of contention for the post-Iginla Calgary Flames. I think getting Bernier would be pointless (and possibly redundant).

[atb]

Duhatchek on Feaster's need to create a bidding war

The history of recent trading-deadline transactions suggests that quantity over quality rarely works out for the sellers in the end. Take, for example, the negotiations between the Atlanta Thrashers and the Pittsburgh Penguins for winger Marian Hossa at the 2008 deadline. Atlanta accepted four pieces from the Penguins in return – players Colby Armstrong and Erik Christensen, prospect Angelo Esposito and a No.1 draft choice that, because of Pittsburgh’s playoff success that year, turned out be No.29 overall (Daultan Leveille).

Within a couple of years, Atlanta (now Winnipeg) had nothing of consequence to show for the Hossa deal – and in fact, the throw-in that went the other way, Pascal Dupuis, was and is still having considerable success with Pittsburgh today. Two years later, Atlanta again received four pieces from the New Jersey Devils in a trading-deadline deal for Ilya Kovalchuk, and of those four pieces, only Johnny Oduya is an NHL regular – and he now plays for the Chicago Blackhawks.

The point is, these trading-deadline auctions can represent perilous waters for the team with the commodity to deal. Eventually it evolves into what we see today – one far-ranging, league-wide poker game. Feaster is the dealer and he’s trying to get as many of his rival GMs as possible to join him at the table and thus drive up the ante.

Full Article: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle10395302/

[Calgary4LIfe]

Not that I am advocating or even hoping for Iginla staying, but him staying and re-signing here won't mean that the Flames are building around him. I don't think Feaster has 'built around' Iginla for the last 2 seasons. The Flames haven't been trying to get a #1 center to play with him, they are not trading away future pieces for vets. They seem to have been employing a strategy of building for the future (taking Jankowski for the 'home run' who needs a few years of development at least over selecting another player that could help sooner was a great example of this).

Either way, the Flames are building towards the future, and adding pieces that should be around by the time they hope to be finished. All their FA acquisitions have been in the mid to late 20's, and there is an emphasis on drafting in this organization. Jarome staying doesn't mean that the team will not rebuild, or that they will build around Iginla - merely they will just continue to do what they are doing with an aim of staying competitive and building for the future.

I do think that in the end, Feaster will accept the best trade on the table a couple of days before the deadline if nobody offers him what his asking price is. What I wonder is how many other players are going to be moved, and if they are concentrating on moving out Iginla first, as a way of saying to the rest of the players with NTCs/NMCs that "We traded your captain, and you guys should think about going too." or something similar. It just doesn't make much sense if they are ONLY trading Jarome, in my opinion (though I really don't think they are going to 'burn it to the ground'.

[kukkudo]

I have a feeling Iginla will be a King by the end of the day or Tomorrow.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Parallex

They can't offer it... they don't have a 1st round pick (unless they're talking about a 2014 1st round pick).

Regardless the Flames shouldn't accept Bernier. He'll be eligible for unrestricted free agent in two years. I think we can all mostly agree that those two years aren't likely to be part of a window of contention for the post-Iginla Calgary Flames. I think getting Bernier would be pointless (and possibly redundant).

Yeah, I agree. Getting Bernier as the major piece has "win-now" written all over it. This team is not going to be competing for anything in the next 2 or 3 seasons. I'd much rather go with what we have in the system for now and get pieces for the future.

Bernier will likely not be pleased going from a good team to a bad team and won't have any loyalty to the Flames beyond his current contract. We'll have to overpay to keep him I would bet.

The only way I think it's good is if we flip Bernier somewhere either immediately as part of 3-way trade, or at least before his contract is up.

3-way trades are so rare, but if we could get Bernier and Toffoli for Iginla, then send Bernier to Toronto for a 1st and a prospect, that would be ideal.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

I have a feeling Iginla will be a King by the end of the day or Tomorrow.

I'm thinking it'll be announced tomorrow morning, right after the Avs game.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Not that I am advocating or even hoping for Iginla staying, but him staying and re-signing here won't mean that the Flames are building around him.

I think that the team will have a hard time to transition away from that if he doesn't leave, it is very entrenched through the owners and Ken King.

Also, I don't think Iggy wants to re-sign here, he has publicly stated he doesn't want to be part of a rebuild.

So, to re-sign him, they may need to continue to placate his desire to be on a contender.

I think it is trade him or he walks.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Actually I liked what Grant said on our radio show ... "the worst case scenario isn't Iginla walking for nothing, it's Iginla signing a 3 year extension at 6+ per season"

and that isn't to say anything against Iginla, at all. But as long as he's here as the guy the team will continue to sit in this flux and not move on. If Iginla took a 4m per year deal to be a secondary guy, then that's better. But I fear as long as he's the face of the franchise they'll continue to use elmer's glue and tape to try and get him in the playoffs.

Yeah I know some here think I'm an Iginla hater which is far from the truth. I simply am a Flames fan first and it's been my belief for a few years now that this team can't move forward as long as Iginla is on the roster. As long as he's here the team will continue to flounder. Sure things may get worse in the immediate future after he's traded but if this team ever wants to get back to relevance it's going to have to be with a new leadership core.

[_Q_]

This "meddling" BS is starting to get way over-blown around here. Owners set the mandate for the organization and management carries that out. If big decision that can alter the course of the organization needs to be made, ownership is definitely going to get involved. This is how things work in every single organization whether it's the coffee shop around the corner, a multinational Oil and Gas company or the Calgary Flames.

For example, I work in management for a medium sized EPC here in Calgary and have autonomy with all the small day to day things such as resource allocation, reporting to clients, etc. But this week I worked in a team on a major proposal to do work for a new client. That team included several senior Engineers, myself, the VP and President of the company.

I think if you don't understand this, you have either never worked, or are being wilfully ignorant.

[jaydub74]

Hopefully the Flames aren't considering taking a 2014 1st from the Kings. Picking a year later will only delay turning this franchise around. If they can't get a 2013 pick I would prefer they got a prospect.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, I agree. Getting Bernier as the major piece has "win-now" written all over it. This team is not going to be competing for anything in the next 2 or 3 seasons. I'd much rather go with what we have in the system for now and get pieces for the future.

Bernier will likely not be pleased going from a good team to a bad team and won't have any loyalty to the Flames beyond his current contract. We'll have to overpay to keep him I would bet.l.

Bernier wants to play. That's his #1 priority. He's got a cup ring already and probably has very little interest in being a back-up on a contending team. In order for him to maximize his career earnings he has to start earning starting dollars soon. His priority will be opportunity - which Calgary provides.

Most good teams have good goalies.

He will likely have to go to a bad team to get the opportunity he seeks.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, I agree. Getting Bernier as the major piece has "win-now" written all over it. This team is not going to be competing for anything in the next 2 or 3 seasons. I'd much rather go with what we have in the system for now and get pieces for the future.

Bernier will likely not be pleased going from a good team to a bad team and won't have any loyalty to the Flames beyond his current contract. We'll have to overpay to keep him I would bet.

The only way I think it's good is if we flip Bernier somewhere either immediately as part of 3-way trade, or at least before his contract is up.

3-way trades are so rare, but if we could get Bernier and Toffoli for Iginla, then send Bernier to Toronto for a 1st and a prospect, that would be ideal.

News flash... The flames will more than likely have to overpay any player on this roster or in UFA to stay with this team.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by kirant

I'm thinking it'll be announced tomorrow morning, right after the Avs game.

Jeez how late do you think the game is gonna go tonight?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

From the Trade Rumors Only thread:



I know it's Iginla, but I really wish we didn't hear things like this. Just adds more fuel to the fire that Ken King is sticking his fingers in the GM's business, although that may not be such a bad thing given that Feaster is losing respect with fans - and fast.

This is the all-time franchsie player I have no doubt or issue that ownership wants to be kept in the loop on every development and have a bit of a say. It is Feaster/Weisbroad's job to sell them on the particular deal.