Kipper won't agree to be traded

[PantherExtreme]

Yep, it was funny after being on here then watching normal, reasonable people on sportsnet talk about it... "personal reasons!" not another question asked, no one has to work if they dont want to.

[Imported_Aussie]

What some people have been saying in this thread is.downright ludicrous
Trade a long standing team man against his wishes, demote him to force.retirement
Then watch the Flames reputation with players and agents go into the crapper...

[rotten42]

Well, until somebody official comes out and confirms that Kipper won't accept a trade I will ignore it. I just can't put any faith in what those dbags on Sportsnet come up with half the time.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by moon

I have worked on a rotational schedule for most of my 4 childrens lives so I do understand 100% the situation of missing stuff as kids grow. Perhaps that makes me less sympathetic since myself and many others I know have done similar things for longer times with a lot less to gain.

Sure, but you probably feel a little guilty about that on some level. And if you were in a position where you could control how much you saw them, you'd probably side with your kids too. Kipper is in a position where he doesn't need the money, and can make those decisions that a lot of us never have the ability to. I don't blame him for taking it.

I think there's also a difference between missing a few weeks of your kids lives when they are 4 or 5. Newborns is a whole other thing...they change so effin fast, it's unreal.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

What some people have been saying in this thread is.downright ludicrous
Trade a long standing team man against his wishes, demote him to force.retirement
Then watch the Flames reputation with players and agents go into the crapper...

Exactly, instead they should send the message that if you are a Flame and we want to trade you and we have the contractual right to do so, all you have to do is threaten us and we'll fold like a cheap suit.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I don't get what is so difficult to understand here. The guy just had a baby (Kypreos even mentioned possible birth complications) and has prioritized his family over hockey. NMC or not, he has more than earned the right to ask the Flames to accommodate this request.

Moving his family with a brand new baby is out of the question.

I think that's the key here. Is the reason Kipper is refusing to report due to his new baby? If so, I think Kipper should be given a pass here by the fans and the team should do the right thing and honor Kipper's request not to be traded. It is hard to compare to real life, but in real life, Kipper could and would have applied for parental leave if he was away from his wife and newborn.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

In the end, who cares?

I respect Kipper for saying he needs to stay here to help his wife, it's kind of nice to see in this day and age of sports. Yes it sucks that we couldn't move him and get something for him and give him, but life will go on.

Have I lost any respect for Kipper? No, but that doesn't mean I'm not disappointed we can't move him to help with the rebuild.

Forget all the claims that (if this is true) this is about family or retirement. I respect Kipper for saying the only team he wants to play for in the NHL is the Flames and the only city he wants to live in in North America is Calgary. If you guys don't get that, go back to Saskatchewan or the Maratimes.

The people I have lost respect for are the ones that are freaking out that this has the potential to kill their ability to run him out of town as they are so aggressively trying to do with Iginla. These guys are heroes in our community and, in my opinion, deserve the ability to make these kinds of decisions without a bunch of raging armchair GMs freaking out that this impedes their ability to make trades in a video game.

Keeping Kipper on for the next few years will help with the rebuild a lot more than trading him.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Forget all the claims that (if this is true) this is about family or retirement. I respect Kipper for saying the only team he wants to play for in the NHL is the Flames and the only city he wants to live in in North America is Calgary. If you guys don't get that, go back to Saskatchewan or the Maratimes.

What if we are not from Saskatchewan or the Maritimes? Where do we go back to then?

Keeping Kipper on for the next few years will help with the rebuild a lot more than trading him.

I would love to hear the logic on this but based on the faulty logic that others have had when trying to promote this argument I am not expecting much.

[jlh2640]

Good for him, totally his choice and he deserves the Flames respect. The guy has been a warrior for us and if he doesnt want to play elsewhere he deserves that choice.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Well if he's alredy saying he doesn't want to be away from his family, he probably won't be going on any more road trips. If the FLames are looking at moving him, they know it might drop them in the standings and they'd get a better draft pick. So maybe he should just retire right now and stay at home.

Like I've said, I would be more than happy for the guy if he just retired now. Playing out a meaningless season just to get paid but saying it has to be under his circumstances is just wrong.

I would LOVE if he just retired today.

You do understand that being gone for 3, 4, or 5 days at a time is not the same as not seeing family for 2 or 3 months...right?

[Flame On]

I don't know how Kipper is taking any flak about this.
The Flames mismanage the situation; as they seem to do for every situation, and wait until the last munute where they wake up and go "oh we better do something about this asset" only he's just had a kid and wishes to support his family by staying.
The Flames could have sorted this out at any point before.
Their monumental mismanagement from asset management, to scouting, to prospect development is what's at fault.
Basically Kipper has offered to free up what, like7 million in cap space if the team decides to go forward with a trade of him.

[North East Goon]

The writing seems to be on the wall, Kipper will not be back next season. This drama plus all the rumours of the flames targetting young goalies. Seems like this is the scenario?

[Imported_Aussie]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Exactly, instead they should send the message that if you are a Flame and we want to trade you and we have the contractual right to do so, all you have to do is threaten us and we'll fold like a cheap suit.

Hockey players are people, with human emotions and needs. A lot of fans at this time of year break down things like trades, cutting losses, etc. like they are trading stocks. It would be different if we were talking about a guy like Comeau or Babchuk, but in Kiprusoff you have a club legend, a guy who has been a cornerstone of this team for years, and to throw him away without regard for his personal situation is cold-blooded.
In the non-Hockey world, a lot of people place an emphasis on the reputation of their prospective employers when they are faced with multiple options, and many place an emphasis on the employer that treats their employees the fairest - do you think hockey players are any different?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flame On

I don't know how Kipper is taking any flak about this.
The Flames mismanage the situation; as they seem to do for every situation, and wait until the last munute where they wake up and go "oh we better do something about this asset" only he's just had a kid and wishes to support his family by staying.
The Flames could have sorted this out at any point before.
Their monumental mismanagement from asset management, to scouting, to prospect development is what's at fault.
Basically Kipper has offered to free up what, like7 million in cap space if the team decides to go forward with a trade of him.

Not sure how management gets blamed for this one?

This was the only year that they could have traded him without having to ask him to waive. It's not like Kipper got his wife pregnant a week ago and they had a kid. He had 9 months to plan for this. If he was not going to accept a trade now, he more than likely would not have accepted a trade at any point of the season.

Was flames management suppose to ask Kipper during the summer what his plans for the future are, when he has 2 years left on his deal?

[Bmuzyka]

Wow, I can't believe that some people just don't get how this damages the Flames and are giving Kipper a pass on this. Forget the fact that he just had a baby. Tons of Athletes have Babies all the time. He plays in a League with guaranteed contracts. That means he can't be cut for under-performing like the NFL (I wish the NHL did this). He negotiated a long term contract which only had the NMC active for a portion of that contract.

If this news had not gotten out, he would have been looked at by a few teams with goalie injuries as insurance for the playoffs, and based on his salary, he likely would have been a first round draft pick.

Now that this rumor has floated around, the pool of teams who are interested in him has just shrunk, and not only that, but the offer for him will not be as big, since there is uncertainty.
I am sure that the NHL would nullify the the trade if its only him and draft picks involved and he refuses to report, but it gets much more complicated if there is another player, or player rights involved, it makes it much harder for the NHL to nullify a trade then.


The fact is, the Flames are well within their rights to trade Kipper this season. If he had gone to the Flames and asked to renegotiate his contract, then fine, but to sabotage a trade through the media, that's unfair

[LChoy]

Mods, perhaps a poll can be setup?
From all the posts on this thread, there seems to be a wide variety of opinions on this.

Ex. "Do you agree with Kiprusoff's decision to not report to the new team if he should be traded before the end of the season?"
Suggested choices:
A. Yes, Kipper has brought a lot to the Flames during the years, and is fully entitled to remain a Flame for the rest of the year
B. No, Kipper signed a contract and his no movement clause has expired. He has no right to handcuff the team
C. Undecided, a lot of talk over an unconfirmed rumour

LChoy

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

Wow, I can't believe that some people just don't get how this damages the Flames and are giving Kipper a pass on this. Forget the fact that he just had a baby. Tons of Athletes have Babies all the time. He plays in a League with guaranteed contracts. That means he can't be cut for under-performing like the NFL (I wish the NHL did this). He negotiated a long term contract which only had the NMC active for a portion of that contract.

If this news had not gotten out, he would have been looked at by a few teams with goalie injuries as insurance for the playoffs, and based on his salary, he likely would have been a first round draft pick.

Now that this rumor has floated around, the pool of teams who are interested in him has just shrunk, and not only that, but the offer for him will not be as big, since there is uncertainty.
I am sure that the NHL would nullify the the trade if its only him and draft picks involved and he refuses to report, but it gets much more complicated if there is another player, or player rights involved, it makes it much harder for the NHL to nullify a trade then.


The fact is, the Flames are well within their rights to trade Kipper this season. If he had gone to the Flames and asked to renegotiate his contract, then fine, but to sabotage a trade through the media, that's unfair

No they won't, Boston traded Tim Thomas to the Islanders and the NHL was fine with it. You are overreacting.

[fredr123]

Not sure if it's been posted elsewhere in the thread, but I went back to the archives and found the original CP thread from the day Kipper signed his last extension: http://forum.calgarypuck.com/archive...p/t-49388.html

The TSN article at the time said the deal was structured in a way that would allow Kipper to retire in his final year without costing him much coin. We all knew and accepted that it was entirely possible he would not play out the final year of his contract. He planned to game the system right from the start and given his wife just gave birth, I can't blame him for not wanting to be away from his family during the first few months of the kid's life.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

Wow, I can't believe that some people just don't get how this damages the Flames and are giving Kipper a pass on this. Forget the fact that he just had a baby. Tons of Athletes have Babies all the time. He plays in a League with guaranteed contracts. That means he can't be cut for under-performing like the NFL (I wish the NHL did this). He negotiated a long term contract which only had the NMC active for a portion of that contract.

If this news had not gotten out, he would have been looked at by a few teams with goalie injuries as insurance for the playoffs, and based on his salary, he likely would have been a first round draft pick.

Now that this rumor has floated around, the pool of teams who are interested in him has just shrunk, and not only that, but the offer for him will not be as big, since there is uncertainty.
I am sure that the NHL would nullify the the trade if its only him and draft picks involved and he refuses to report, but it gets much more complicated if there is another player, or player rights involved, it makes it much harder for the NHL to nullify a trade then.


The fact is, the Flames are well within their rights to trade Kipper this season. If he had gone to the Flames and asked to renegotiate his contract, then fine, but to sabotage a trade through the media, that's unfair

1) No dont "forget" that fact, as that is the whole reason this discussion is taking place. The man prioritizes family over hockey...i have zero problem with that, and no one else should either.

2) He didnt go to the media.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Lchoy

Mods, perhaps a poll can be setup?
From all the posts on this thread, there seems to be a wide variety of opinions on this.

Ex. "Do you agree with Kiprusoff's decision to not report to the new team if he should be traded before the end of the season?"
Suggested choices:
A. Yes, Kipper has brought a lot to the Flames during the years, and is fully entitled to remain a Flame for the rest of the year
B. No, Kipper signed a contract and his no movement clause has expired. He has no right to handcuff the team
C. Undecided, a lot of talk over an unconfirmed rumour

LChoy

Think there should be a "D" answer. Something like ... If Kipper has decided this is his last year in the NHL, it's not wrong for him to want to retire in a flames uniform.