Kipper won't agree to be traded

[moon]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Not that I even trust this whole Kipper thing is true since it's from Kypreos. But lets say there's some truth to it.

Perhaps he just went to the Flames and told them he'll be retiring next year. If the Flames decide to trade him, then rather than go to that team, he'll just retire early. I still don't really see the problem in him doing that.

Him retiring next year makes him more valuable to many teams.

He would be doing the Flames a favor by saying that and making it easier to deal him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

If the reports are true, the Flames should immediately send him to the Heat. Then when he either gets claimed on waivers or clears and refuses to report to his new team he will be in violation of his contract and the Flames won't have to pay him. Not a huge deal, but at least they can save some dough on a goalie who would be clearly going through the motions at this point, why bother paying him.

Yeah, that will look great on the organization to take a dump on the guy that has carried the team for years and has been a great dedicated player. Hey Kipper, thanks for all you have given us but go to the minors. Ridiculous and sad.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Not that I even trust this whole Kipper thing is true since it's from Kypreos. But lets say there's some truth to it.

Perhaps he just went to the Flames and told them he'll be retiring next year. If the Flames decide to trade him, then rather than go to that team, he'll just retire early. I still don't really see the problem in him doing that.

If there is any truth to this, at all, I'm very disappointed for the Flames/Feaster pulling this crap again.

[HELPNEEDED]

Trade him, if he does'nt report not the Flames problem.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Yakbutter

given his performance this year he's lucky anybody even wants him.

Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't like this one bit. His NTC expired but he'd not honour his contract? I thought there would be a good chance he'd be moved, especially to the leafs. If he did openly say that he wouldn't honour his contract to accept a trade than I'd cut him.

I know people are going to say how much we owe him or how crappy we'd be if we didn't have him but open your eyes.... We're almost dead last in the league. We are crap. If he doesnt' play another game for the Flames, they sink lower and get a good pick. If he does play more and wins us games, we get another 10-14 pick with no playoffs and nothing to show for it. If he accepts a trade, we get assets, a higher draft pick and he gets a shot at a cup (or at least the playoffs).

IF this is true, I lost a lot of respect for Kipper.

Originally Posted by RT14

If this is true, I will be one peed off Flames fan and will not be cheering for Kipper any longer. There's like a month left in the season + playoffs. He never would have gotten a shot at being a #1 and earn the many millions of dollars that he did without the Flames, and his NTC has expired.

Honor the contract you've signed, suck it up and shut your mouth, play somewhere else for a few months and then you can retire if you want.

Originally Posted by kehatch

Kipper doesn't have a NMC. If this is true it is dirty pool. The man is a multi millionaire off of the Calgary fans money. If he had a NMC then fine. But saying you will refuse to report is BS.

Not sure if it is true. But if it is then shame on him.

Originally Posted by moon

Not a fan of this if true and wouldn't mind telling him not to bother showing up if that is what he actually said.

But just rumours right now and at least it is a quit if somewhere else and not a quit if not place X.

Originally Posted by devo22

As I stated in the other thread, I'd be extremely disappointed if true. I get that family is important and everything, but hey - you can't just decide to "extend" your expired NTC like that. And I get that the return wouldn't have been huge, and it's not like I even wanted him to get traded for sure ... but at least the Flames should have the ability to do it if they want to. Without an NTC, a player shouldn't be allowed to make a decision like that.

I've always been a huge fan of Kipper (my favourite Flame ever, even ahead of Iggy), but if true (and it's Kypreos, so I give Kipper the benefit of the doubt here), that decision would seriously piss me off.

Originally Posted by Poe969

I don't think he has the freedom to do what he wants, he's under contract. I would tell him he was traded and if he says no, I would tell him to leave. He, like Iggy, shouldn't be on this team any longer. This team is going no where but down in the standings and the Flames should be able to load up on any kind of asset they can to help the future. Sure, Kipper has given a lot to the Flames and so has Iggy but they have both been paid millions and millions of dollars to do so. They don't owe the Flames anything other than their contract states but the Flames don't owe either of them anything more than they've been paid.

If this is indeed true, Kipper shouldn't be honoured by the Flames at all.

JESUS CHRIST!! Arguably the most important player on the team for a decade, single handedly carried the team for most of that decade (with help from Iggy), signed a very reasonable contract (less than he would've gotten as a UFA for sure) to stay in Calgary. This guy has been the heart and soul of the team and has never complained when he was the only player out there giving his all every night. And just because he would rather retire here, than be a rental player you guys throw him under the bus?!?! I understand about trying to make unbiased decisions and not let emotions get in the way, but come on, if anybody has earned an exception to that rule, it's this guy. He has 100% earned to have his say in the twilight of his career. Good for you Kipper!!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

If there is any truth to this, at all, I'm very disappointed for the Flames/Feaster pulling this crap again.

I am not sure I am following you here. How is it the fault of Feaster/Flames if Kipper told them he would not report if traded? They can't put a gun to his head.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I'm not butthurt, but apparently Kipper is. Poor guy doesn't want to put up with a part of his job that has earned him millions. No time for it, and for the record, Kippers treating us like the Islanders right now, not the other way around.

Again, if reports are true.

Yeah, this is just like the Nabakov situations ... if Nabakov had played 9 years for the team. Actually I take it back, it wouldn't be an Islanders move on our part, it would be worse. Vindictive garbage.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

Kipper may actually think this, but how do these experts based in Toronto seem to know so much more about the Flames than the media in Calgary?

Because any kind of info wouldn't come from the flames, could be someone with say the Leafs telling Kyper they had a deal but Kipper won't move.

[moon]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

Trade him, if he does'nt report not the Flames problem.

Outside of Garth Snow who would trade for a guy that says he doesn't want to report?

[Poe969]

If this is true, he just tarnished his entire career. Seems like a cry baby thing to do. He knew his NTC expired and there was a chance he'd be dealt.

The only good that could come of this would be him not playing another game for the rest of the year and the Flames take over 30th.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

Trade him, if he does'nt report not the Flames problem.

I'm sure teams are going to be lining up to deal for him now.

[PantherExtreme]

Kipper has always been a different dude, could turn out to be false but I can definitely see it being true. Especially with the new kid, one low money year left, 37 years old...

As for some people losing respect for him, that is an odd reaction to a guy saying he would quit a job he has every right to quit at any moment.

[moon]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

JESUS CHRIST!! Are you guys fu#*king kidding me? Arguably the most important player on the team for a decade, single handedly carried the team for most of that decade (with help from Iggy), signed a very reasonable contract (less than he would've gotten as a UFA for sure) to stay in Calgary. This guy has been the heart and soul of the team and has never complained when he was the only player out there giving his all every night. And just because he would rather retire here, than be a rental player you guys throw him under the bus?!?! I understand about trying to make unbiased decisions and not let emotions get in the way, but come on, if anybody has earned an exception to that rule, it's this guy. He has 100% earned to have his say in the twilight of his career. Good for you Kipper!!

You earn that in a NTC/NMC. He knew when he signed the deal he could be moved in the last two years and was fine with that.

If he wants to retire I will gladly give him a standing O and hope his jersey gets hung in the rafters.

But right now he is not bigger or more important than the team.

I am not saying ban him from the Flames for life or ignore what was done in the past but if he doesn't want to help the team than he can go now.

[icecube]

I can't ever recall Kypreos being right about anything. The guys a moron. No sense getting our panties in a twist over this until it actually happens- which I doubt it will. If he's traded he'll report. I'm guessing he play out next year with the Flames though. We'll see what happens after that.

[xmyth]

maybe Kypreos is just a hatchetman for the leafs. taint the market to drive down kipper's value.

[MissTeeks]

Remember when we used to judge Oiler fans with how they reacted to Pronger asking for a trade? Now some Flames fans are doing the same to Kipper for not wanting a trade. Kind of sad.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by nik-

Yeah, this is just like the Nabakov situations ... if Nabakov had played 9 years for the team. Actually I take it back, it wouldn't be an Islanders move on our part, it would be worse. Vindictive garbage.

Don't be sad because (if true) one of your favourite players is showing his true colours right now. Kipper is pulling a very selfish and less than classy move right here if true.

All this talk about what he's done for the organization blah, blah, blah. He was paid handsomely for what he brought on the ice, the organization owes him nothing because of that, they paid him. This could easily be turned around and I could say, the "the Flames rescued him from being a minor league goalie for life in SJ, gave him life that allowed him to make millions on the back of the Flames and this his how he repays us.........."

Either way, it doesn't really matter. If he wants to retire, then retire, I won't hold anything against him if he decides he's done tomorrow. That's what he should do if he is no longer willing to fullfill the full terms of his contract, and right now that includes the potential of being traded. Don't straddle the line, either you want to be an NHL player or you don't, no in between right now. If he was UFA or had an NMC, then he could dictate the terms on how and where he wants to play, but he's not.

[Nsd1]

Originally Posted by T@T

And the flames would be off the hook for $5.8m in cap space next year.

Or you let him play his last games as a Flame(the same flames team the he's kept "in it" for the last 7 years, which failed to provide him with adequate defensive help for many of those years) and he can retire. His cap hit will come off the books anyway because he signed the deal before be was 35.

[the2bears]

*If this is true*

Put the pitchforks away until confirmed?

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

signed a very reasonable contract

So you agree that he's under contract and do whatever the contract states? This is the exact same as if a team would say "look, we are losing money so we aren't going to pay you what we said we were going to"

If you're going to bring up his contract that means it should be honoured by both sides.

He's done great for the Flames in the past but he hasn't done it for free. He was paid and paid well. The fact that he was the only one who actually cared on some nights is all the more reason for him to want to go to a playoff team. He can't do this and say it's something he's earned the right to do, he earned the right not to be traded in prior years but to make a threat like that is just dirty.

I really hope this isn't true and he's traded.