Uhm yes it is. Esposito was in the middle of his worst point season in Junior after 3 years of declining production. He fell from a top 2 pick all to way to 14th over his draft eligible year and most scouts were saying he simply didn't have the attitude or the ability to break a lineup. By the time he was traded he was passed up for the Canadian super team against the Russians and the World Juniors. He was junk. Bottom line.
The Following User Says Thank You to Tinordi For This Useful Post:
Mark Spector Sports@SportsnetSpec1m
Jarome Iginla, with full support of Flames, decides not to talk after morning skate. Flames P.R. "He is focusing on tonight's game."
Mark Spector Sports@SportsnetSpec1m
We're guessing teammates who were forced to address pending Iginla trade don't require the same level of pregame focus.
Tobe clear, i am thanking the SHUT UP spector part, not he content of that half wit.
__________________
"OOOOOOHHHHHHH those Russians" - Boney M
To be fair, Esposito had plummeted during the draft. TSN had him 8th and he went 20th but he was the player that kept dropping so there's a chance most teams didn't like what they saw.
He wasn't junk at the time though, thats for sure. Falling maybe.
At one point he was talked about as being the first overall guy but yeah you're right. Junk is probably a silly term but he certainly wasn't a top tier guy, and I don't think Jiri was suggesting that either however.
He was a decent prospect at the time, less then a year removed from being a 1st overall pick.
A late 1st round pick and two prospects is not asking for too much.
Olli Jokinen got a mid to late 1st round pick, a good young centre in Matthew Lombardi, and a good young heart and soul guy in Brandon Prust.
Jokinen can only dream of what Iggy can do in the playoffs.
Even Pierre Lebrun, a national media guy thinks that a 1st and two prospects is fair. The media in the Cities like LA, Chicago, and Boston are just trying to drive the value down for their beloved team. Don't buy into it.
A little different as Jokinen and Hossa were both 30-31 yrs old at the time with potential to resign them and still have a copule years of prime production.
Well he was a potential #1 overall pick before his draft year. His stock basically plummeted through his draft year and continued to plummet. I wouldn't say he was worthless.
We need to be targeting grade A prospects. Pretty clear that the GMs who executed the Kovalchuk, Hossa, and Smyth deals got B- or C level prospects.
Location: Chiefs Kingdom, Yankees Universe, C of Red.
Exp:
Quote:
Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO
Does anyone else feel like feaster is going to mess this up completely? I do.
For sure. This place is going to melt down when everyones wish of Iggy getting traded actually happens. And the return is a bunch of garbage. Some people still can't get over the Phaneuf trade.
A) The media in those cities feel it's their job to help out their local team.
and
B) Flames management are going to let their decision be influenced by trade rumours on twitter and hockey forums.
Do you really believe that?
Media has always been used by decision makers to influence things. This game has been played for centuries. If media wants to get close to a team, they will do their bidding for them. It's just the way the system works. You want news bits and the inside scoop? Then play nice. Media can sway public opinion and can generate pressure, you have to be aware of that, right?
I never said Flames management was going to be influenced by it. Are you putting words in my mouth? Seems to happen a lot on this site.
__________________
Calgary Flames, PLEASE GO TO THE NET! AND SHOOT THE PUCK! GENERATING OFFENSE IS NOT DIFFICULT! SKATE HARD, SHOOT HARD, CRASH THE NET HARD!
For sure. This place is going to melt down when everyones wish of Iggy getting traded actually happens. And the return is a bunch of garbage. Some people still can't get over the Phaneuf trade.
I'm waiting for this with a sense of impending enjoyment.
I love chaos and angst. I'm an agent of Chaos
__________________
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
The Following User Says Thank You to CaptainCrunch For This Useful Post:
Maybe junk is a harsh term but he wasn't a Tier 1 prospect, he was a guy with very big questions of whether he'd ever be an NHL player. He was a throw in to that Hossa deal not a core piece of it. Everyone was wise to the Esposito hype by that time, being passed up for the World Juniors was the watershed moment.
The Following User Says Thank You to Tinordi For This Useful Post:
My recollection at the time was the Esposito was already considered a project by the time Pittsburgh traded him. Potential high reward, but unlikely to reach it.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
I'm glad Feaster is asking for the moon for Iggy. You can always lower your price. But I think with 4 teams interested, the price might eventually go up
GMs overpay at the deadline. Thomas Kaberle got a 1st rounder. Iggy should get a 1st rounder ++++++++++
Tobe clear, i am thanking the SHUT UP spector part, not he content of that half wit.
I am guessing Spector will once again have to sniff around the edges, look for discarded cell phone receipts and make up stories to fill his columns and provide non-Oiler material on SN broadcasts, while the guys at TSN walk all over him.
The outrage of him and the other non-Calgary media carnivores, (with a mic in one hand and reading a wikipedia page for Iginla open on their phone in the other) not being able to ask the same stupid questions about a list, cell phone, teams you'd like to play for etc simply for his own professional reputation gain (though he will hide behind "because the fans want to know"), looking for some eye twitch or Iginla to mis-speak a word, is pretty funny and pathetic at the same time.
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to browna For This Useful Post:
My recollection at the time was the Esposito was already considered a project by the time Pittsburgh traded him. Potential high reward, but unlikely to reach it.
I think that's fair. He was still considered to be a good prospect, but not elite. But you rarely get elite guys in deals. Teams are too committed to them.
You see flawed guys get moved around - guys like David Rundblad - because teams aren't completely convinced they can hit their potential.
Esposito didn't turn into a junk prospect until his knees betrayed him.
Jimmy Murphy @MurphysLaw74 50m
NHL source to me today on Flames asking price for Iginla: "Calgary is going to screw this up for themselves bad if they don't come down."
I'm not too worried about the Flames pricing themselves out of an Iginla trade. It's simple, ask for as much as you can get and see if someone will pay it.
There is a week until the trade deadline, if no one bites on the high price you have plenty of time to lower it and get a deal done. There is no way that any of the teams in the running snub you and say no if you ask for too much and then come back with a lower offer closer to the deadline.
Only as long as potential trading partners don't decide to go elsewhere.
It's a game of chicken. If the price remains too high too long you risk the other GMs deciding that there are cheaper alternatives out there. The Flames could potentially be left with no one to deal with ( or at least no one willing to give up what the Flames will accept ).
I'm not too worried about the Flames pricing themselves out of an Iginla trade. It's simple, ask for as much as you can get and see if someone will pay it.
There is a week until the trade deadline, if no one bites on the high price you have plenty of time to lower it and get a deal done. There is no way that any of the teams in the running snub you and say no if you ask for too much and then come back with a lower offer closer to the deadline.
This risk is they balk at the high price and go for plan B.
On the other hand, you can start with modest demands, and as more teams make pitches you can play them off against one another. Better to string them along and raise the price closer to the deadline than set an unrealistic price early and drive bidders into the arms of other options.
I think that's fair. He was still considered to be a good prospect, but not elite. But you rarely get elite guys in deals. Teams are too committed to them.
You see flawed guys get moved around - guys like David Rundblad - because teams aren't completely convinced they can hit their potential.
Esposito didn't turn into a junk prospect until his knees betrayed him.
This is so true. No team is going to give up a sure-fire prospect for a rental. It just doesn't happen. You will always get the guys with question marks. Even Regehr at the time we traded Fleury was not a sure thing. It worked out for us thankfully, but for every situation like that, there is an Esposito, Grenier, Plante, Nilsson, O'Marra, and so on. I just hope the fans can accept in a few years that there is a big possibility that we will have nothing to show for trading Iginla. That is not a knock on Feaster or Iginla, but rather just the way it is in these situations. Here's hoping we can strike gold though...
There is the hope (or belief) that if we sweeten the pot, that we can get a tier 1 prospect back, but I don't see it.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 03-26-2013 at 12:22 PM.
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to FlamesAddiction For This Useful Post:
I want the price to be high. Both sides can get closer before then.
People seem to think the Flames are the only ones that should drop their expectations for Iginla. The Flames are doing this so the other teams cave in.
