[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Captain Iggy's coming to town
Captain Iggy's coming to town
Captain Iggy's coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's Contending or not.
Captain Iggy's coming to town
sCaptain Iggy' coming to town
Captain Iggy's coming to town

He sees you have deep forwards
He knows your defense well
He knows if your teams bad or good
So compete for goodness sake

That doesn't rhyme. Fail!

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

I don't get why people think goaltending isn't a problem now and in the future for this org. It is a position of need. Sure you can sign a UFA stop-gap but don't people remember the Wregget, Braithwaite, Fuhr, Vernon days?

Or look at the endless quest for a reliable starter in Philly, Washington, and Toronto. Quality NHL starters aren't a high priority until you find you don't have one. Heck, look at the Flames' difficulties just finding a decent backup the last five or six seasons.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Just to be clear you'd rather get a riskier guy with a potentially higher ceiling? Bernier is looking to be a solid starter, who would have a better return than that? Sure we'd all like a flashy skater but any player we get back for Iginla is going to be a player with questions around them. Don't see Iginla returning a top forward prospect.

I don't get why people think goaltending isn't a problem now and in the future for this org. It is a position of need. Sure you can sign a UFA stop-gap but don't people remember the Wregget, Braithwaite, Fuhr, Vernon days?

Again a goaltender in the hand is worth two in the bush.

What if you're not a huge fan of that goalie in the hand?

I think you missed my point. I'd rather focus the return on Iginla being at the forward or blueline position. Teams like LA, Nashville, San Jose.. they don't focus on one guy.. they bring in a plethora of guys and see which guys will rise to the top. I'd much prefer Iginla brought back a couple good prospects then a goalie who I'm not sold on.

I'm not a huge Bernier fan, that's my whole thing.

[ComixZone]

Pens still in on Iginla via RDS

Rough translation from here

According to what I've learned, this is not the case. In fact, I was told that the managing director of training in Pittsburgh, Ray Shero would still keen on the presence of Jarome Iginla in his training and has not abandoned the idea.
Admittedly, Sidney Crosby knows very well as they have evolved together with the Vancouver games.
Regarding the rumor to the effect that the Red Wings are also in the running for Jarome Iginla, it is false. All four teams on his list of Flames captain are still Chicago, Los Angeles, Boston and Pittsburgh.

[Bertuzzied]

wow. gone for a couple of days and there are 14 pages!

Not sure if it was mentioned but Tanguay should be packaged along with Iggy when he gets shipped.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Goalies also don't have as great trade value as other positions.

Bernier straight for Iginla is a not even a starting point for us, not even close. You also have to include picks and a top prospect. Iginla is a proven commodity Bernier is not.

It is a ridiculous trade offer if that's the offer.

That's not necessarly true.

Bishop who had played only a hand full of NHL games got a 2nd.

Lindbak got 2, 2nd round picks,

Varlamov got a 1st and 2nd.

It looks like franchises are willing to give up enough if they think the goaltender is young and has franchise potential. I would say Bernier is better than the other 3, which would make him worth more.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

wow. gone for a couple of days and there are 14 pages!

Not sure if it was mentioned but Tanguay should be packaged along with Iggy when he gets shipped.

Interesting idea but that would just gum up the works.

[Tron_fdc]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Boston isn't going to trade a guy that will replace Chara when he's gone.

Reverse roles right now.

Would you trade Hamilton for 2 months of a rental ? I know I wouldn't even consider it.

Keep in mind he said Iginla +

Boston is close to the cap next year (I think 8 million out?) with RFA's coming up in Rask and a few other not so notables, Horton is UFA and so are a few others like Ference (replacables).

Calgary has the potential to draft top 3 this year. So if we offered that pick and Iginla, it potentially wins them a cup, gives them a high pick next year, and sets up another Seguin or Hamilton through the draft (cheap entry level contract) so they can spend $$$ somewhere else.

I don't agree with trading our first rounder, but Feaster made it pretty clear he's open to moving it when he signed O'Reilly to that offer sheet.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Thankfully for Boston fans you aren't.

ok

[joe_mullen]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Doug Hamilton

I know its a lot, and willing to do Iginla+ rather then Iginla for a package... have to shoot for quality here.

boston hangs up immediately and probably severs all relations if that is the offer the flames make. not reasonable at all.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

If Bernier who evidently is "looking to be a solid starter" (what is that based on?) is the return for Iginla, then the Flames should be negotiating an extension with Iginla instead of trying to trade him.

From all indications it sounds like Iggy has not wanted to go the route of negotiating an extension. Flames have been pretty adamant in the past they want to re-sign Iggy, i don't think that has changed. Hard to negotiate if the player does not want too.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by joe_mullen

boston hangs up immediately and probably severs all relations if that is the offer the flames make. not reasonable at all.

Yeah, if this was last year the Flames probably could have gotten Hamilton but not this year not with him in the line up.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, if this was last year the Flames probably could have gotten Hamilton but not this year not with him in the line up.

Same with Bennett or Despres.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

That doesn't rhyme. Fail!

Its beatnik spoken word poetry, you need to be playing the bongo's when you read it.

[browna]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Interesting idea but that would just gum up the works.

It'll gum up the works if he stays too, IMO. He was a shell of the player he was after he left the first time in his hissy fit, and owes his long term deal and stability on and off the ice completely to Iginla from clicking with him when he returned for Rd 2.

IF Iginla goes, Tanguay will slip even deeper down the depth list as far as confidence and attiude go, which for skilled guys, is as much a part of the receipe for success as soft hands and passing abilty is. Given the term and money he's left owing, that's going to be ugly.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Yeah, if this was last year the Flames probably could have gotten Hamilton but not this year not with him in the line up.

Again, you never know... you never know if its slightly too much, and if there is a guy in Calgary (i.e. say, Rob Ramage) they may want to think they could work things out. Starting off on the low end is how you end up with, say, Chris Butler and Paul Byron.

Or maybe we eat Marc Savard's contract and they target some UFA.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by browna

It'll gum up the works if he stays too, IMO. He was a shell of the player he was after he left the first time in his hissy fit, and owes his long term deal and stability on and off the ice completely to Iginla from clicking with him when he returned for Rd 2.

IF Iginla goes, Tanguay will slip even deeper down the depth list as far as confidence and attiude go, which for skilled guys, is as much a part of the receipe for success as soft hands and passing abilty is. Given the term and money he's left owing, that's going to be ugly.

Okay, that's all good. I'm not against shipping Tanguay out either but it probably won't be as part of the possible Iginla deal, that's all.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

From all indications it sounds like Iggy has not wanted to go the route of negotiating an extension. Flames have been pretty adamant in the past they want to re-sign Iggy, i don't think that has changed. Hard to negotiate if the player does not want too.

This.

I believe that there is a bit of Flames fatique to Iginla right now, and I also think there could be some hidden resentment at the Flames not doing a great job of supporting him over the last few years in terms of getting him a top center to play with, and maybe half a$$ing their way to building a competitive team.

I would also think that maybe Iginla does not want to give a home town discount due to his standings in the players association who would want him to test the market and set value this summer.

Maybe he's using those pencils to stab fans behind the dome.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by browna

It'll gum up the works if he stays too, IMO. He was a shell of the player he was after he left the first time in his hissy fit, and owes his long term deal and stability on and off the ice completely to Iginla from clicking with him when he returned for Rd 2.

IF Iginla goes, Tanguay will slip even deeper down the depth list as far as confidence and attiude go, which for skilled guys, is as much a part of the receipe for success as soft hands and passing abilty is. Given the term and money he's left owing, that's going to be ugly.

I agree with the premise, however, the significant amount of salary and years remaining on Tanguay's contract when combined with the fact that any new team acquiring the two of them would have to keep them together (based on what you said) requires re-signing Iginla does gum up an already complex trade process.

Keep it simple in order to get it done (if that's the path the Flames do indeed take).

[browna]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Okay, that's all good. I'm not against shipping Tanguay out either but it probably won't be as part of the possible Iginla deal, that's all.

Understood that taking on that much salary is not likely from a team already taking on Iginla (and an additional roster spot), but I don't think any other non-Iginla team will want Tanguay now or in the summer either given what I mentioned above.

When he signed that long term deal, it was pretty clear that the Flames were assuming Iginla would be for around as long as Tanguay is, given Iginla's the only player in the last 6 years that's gotten Tanguay any sort of stats.

So, if the Flames do decide to shuffle Iginla off somewhere else before that point, or Iginla leaves July 1 (5th), the Flames then buyout Tanguay and he resigns another cheap deal with Iginla's new team? It may be his only option.