[Rumour] Iginla Trade Talk: Iginla scratched from CGY Vs. COL

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

What makes Gillies any different than Irving, Keetley, Ortio that he could basically beat the odds and establish himself as a starting goalie at the age of 22? You realize that's a very rare occurrence in this league?

Gillies is dominating older competition. He's way past where any of those prospects were at age 19.

Yes I do understand how rare it is and I am not saying he will do it, but he could.

I'm just not sure franchise goalie is anywhere near the top of the list of this organizations needs, with or without Kirpusoff here.

[PeteLFan]

Goalies also don't have as great trade value as other positions.

Bernier straight for Iginla is a not even a starting point for us, not even close. You also have to include picks and a top prospect. Iginla is a proven commodity Bernier is not.

It is a ridiculous trade offer if that's the offer.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

And why the reported value isn't much more than a straight across deal for the two players.

I don't think Bernier is any worse than Corey Schneider. I don't know if he's any better, but I don't think he's a step down in anyway.

I think fans need to realize that Kipper will be gone within the next year and the capabilities of MacDonald and Ramo picking up the torch as the goaltending tandem behind a rebuilding team is anything but a certainty.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Bizarre conclusion you draw there. How else do teams end up with up to date scouting reports on every NHLer and every AHLer without pro scouting?

I don't know man, with the PUCKS system, you can bring up every single shift the guy has had in a game - which would take about 25 minutes, multiple angles, etc. I believe the technology is there to even show angles where they would be out of the play.

I get that there are some subtle differences on TV broadcasts, but I think that he is right, the pro scout at a hockey game is probably going to be changing significantly over the next 10 years.

[Flash Walken]

We know iginla is a dodgers fan.

Spoiler!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think fans need to realize that Kipper will be gone within the next year and the capabilities of MacDonald and Ramo picking up the torch as the goaltending tandem behind a rebuilding team is anything but a certainty.

I think you need to realize that you don't know this and it is an opinion, not fact.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Goalies also don't have as great trade value as other positions.

Bernier straight for Iginla is a not even a starting point for us, not even close. You also have to include picks and a top prospect. Iginla is a proven commodity Bernier is not.

It is a ridiculous trade offer if that's the offer.

Remember its 35 year old Iggy with an expiring contract we are talking about here

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Is Bernier any riskier than any of the other prospects being thrown around in trade proposals? If anything Bernier is the surest thing from the list of prospects we'd likely be targeting.

Nope, probably not but.. he's a goalie. Goalies are just so hit or miss (because of the position) and I'd rather the Flames are 4-5 goalie prospects and see who can rise to the top. In terms of quality of prospect sure, Bernier could very well be the best but if the Flames are going through a rebuilding phase they don't need a number one guy right away. Get some guys in their teens or a couple 20 year olds and see who can emerge.

I think the value of Iginla is better spent elsewhere, that's all. The goalie market has been a buyers market for years now, don't sell of Iginla even the surest of things. I'd rather get a good forward or D prospect and a first rounder for example.

But we'll see. I'm not a huge Bernier fan either but I'm not stupid enough to say because I'm not a fan of his that he can't be that guy either.

We'll see.

[moon]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I don't know man, with the PUCKS system, you can bring up every single shift the guy has had in a game - which would take about 25 minutes, multiple angles, etc. I believe the technology is there to even show angles where they would be out of the play.

I get that there are some subtle differences on TV broadcasts, but I think that he is right, the pro scout at a hockey game is probably going to be changing significantly over the next 10 years.

If this management group is willing to rely on the F'ing PUKE system rather than actual eye witness assessments then we are in worse trouble than I thought.

[Flash Walken]

Who's your ideal target, MMF?

Is there a prospect out there on forward or D that you think is worth building a trade around that you see as being realistic?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Who's your ideal target, MMF?

Is there a prospect out there on forward or D that you think is worth building a trade around that you see as being realistic?

Doug Hamilton

I know its a lot, and willing to do Iginla+ rather then Iginla for a package... have to shoot for quality here.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Nope, probably not but.. he's a goalie. Goalies are just so hit or miss (because of the position) and I'd rather the Flames are 4-5 goalie prospects and see who can rise to the top. In terms of quality of prospect sure, Bernier could very well be the best but if the Flames are going through a rebuilding phase they don't need a number one guy right away. Get some guys in their teens or a couple 20 year olds and see who can emerge.

I think the value of Iginla is better spent elsewhere, that's all. The goalie market has been a buyers market for years now, don't sell of Iginla even the surest of things. I'd rather get a good forward or D prospect and a first rounder for example.

But we'll see. I'm not a huge Bernier fan either but I'm not stupid enough to say because I'm not a fan of his that he can't be that guy either.

We'll see.

I am in 1000 percent agreement

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Nope, probably not but.. he's a goalie. Goalies are just so hit or miss (because of the position) and I'd rather the Flames are 4-5 goalie prospects and see who can rise to the top. In terms of quality of prospect sure, Bernier could very well be the best but if the Flames are going through a rebuilding phase they don't need a number one guy right away. Get some guys in their teens or a couple 20 year olds and see who can emerge.

I think the value of Iginla is better spent elsewhere, that's all. The goalie market has been a buyers market for years now, don't sell of Iginla even the surest of things. I'd rather get a good forward or D prospect and a first rounder for example.

But we'll see. I'm not a huge Bernier fan either but I'm not stupid enough to say because I'm not a fan of his that he can't be that guy either.

We'll see.

Just to be clear you'd rather get a riskier guy with a potentially higher ceiling? Bernier is looking to be a solid starter, who would have a better return than that? Sure we'd all like a flashy skater but any player we get back for Iginla is going to be a player with questions around them. Don't see Iginla returning a top forward prospect.

I don't get why people think goaltending isn't a problem now and in the future for this org. It is a position of need. Sure you can sign a UFA stop-gap but don't people remember the Wregget, Braithwaite, Fuhr, Vernon days?

Again a goaltender in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Just to be clear you'd rather get a riskier guy with a potentially higher ceiling? Bernier is looking to be a solid starter, who would have a better return than that? Sure we'd all like a flashy skater but any player we get back for Iginla is going to be a player with questions around them. Don't see Iginla returning a top forward prospect.

I don't get why people think goaltending isn't a problem now and in the future for this org. It is a position of need. Sure you can sign a UFA stop-gap but don't people remember the Wregget, Braithwaite, Fuhr, Vernon days?

Again a goaltender in the hand is worth two in the bush.

If Bernier who evidently is "looking to be a solid starter" (what is that based on?) is the return for Iginla, then the Flames should be negotiating an extension with Iginla instead of trying to trade him.

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Doug Hamilton

I know its a lot, and willing to do Iginla+ rather then Iginla for a package... have to shoot for quality here.

Boston isn't going to trade a guy that will replace Chara when he's gone.

Reverse roles right now.

Would you trade Hamilton for 2 months of a rental ? I know I wouldn't even consider it.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Boston isn't going to trade a guy that will replace Chara when he's gone.

Reverse roles right now.

Would you trade Hamilton for 2 months of a rental ? I know I wouldn't even consider it.

If I were Boston? Yes.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Who's your ideal target, MMF?

Is there a prospect out there on forward or D that you think is worth building a trade around that you see as being realistic?

A prospect worth building around? No, I don't think there are any of those guys and if there was I don't think Iginla, with this situation would return that.

A package of one or two guys who can play in your top six or two and a first rounder would be great.

Even though the Penguins are probably done something like Olli Maata, Derrick Poulot and their first is my line of thinking.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

We know iginla is a dodgers fan.

Spoiler!

Well, then he really needs to go.

#BeatLA

[CaptainCrunch]

You better watch out
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
Captain Iggy's coming to town
Captain Iggy's coming to town
Captain Iggy's coming to town

He's making a list,
Checking it twice;
Gonna find out who's Contending or not.
Captain Iggy's coming to town
sCaptain Iggy' coming to town
Captain Iggy's coming to town

He sees you have deep forwards
He knows your defense well
He knows if your teams bad or good
So compete for goodness sake

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

If I were Boston? Yes.

Thankfully for Boston fans you aren't.