Where is Jay Feaster?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I agree with moon. ROR may be a player that can become a 1st line player, but I would rather place safer bet on the first or second chosen centre in this year draft who would probably be a better player than ROR and younger at that. Plus get to keep the third.

In the position the Flames are in right now, build through the draft and utilize your picks. Don't give up multiple ones for just one player when one of those picks will likely get you a better one. It was a stupid move, even without the potential gaff that could've occurred. It's at that point that I've lost all faith in Feaster.

What's the safer bet? A good young player or a pick somewhere between 1 (seemed unlikely at the time) and 15? Honestly the safer bet would be ROR. Any pick is a gamble, though obviously the higher the pick the less the gamble.

I would predict that if our first round pick follows RORs trajectory most of us would be pleased. Who was the last Flames pick to that?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

A #2 C?

Why? ...because he doesn't look like he'll end up being a point per game, high producing offensive center?

Hogwash.

He's a Bergeron/Krejci/Kesler/M. Richards type center in the making IMO.

Usually 50-60 points, great defensively, wins draws, gives it everything he's got every shift in an effort to win and once in a while will have a 60+ point season.

That, IMO, is what we missed out on and it's too bad.

Its this kind of crap that is making me think many of you have no clue WTF you are talking about.

ROR with his one decent season, sure some upside, but who knows how high... I can assure you it wont be at the heights of what the above post and many other posts/posters are grasping at...

If you think ROR is going to be a Bergeron, Krejci, Kesler(who some argue the best pound for pound 2way player in the NHL, even tho a Nuck), give your head a serious shake and consider taking a break from posting.

A top 5 pick that could turn into a Drouin or Mckinnon, both of which I have had the luxury of seeing live, you take it and run.

A 22 yo Center, debatable on being a #1 C, and sure the hell is never going to be a franchise player... or a Stamkos, Tavares, Sequin, Hall, type player (IE top 3 in a draft and all but assured to be a franchise player).

Geee... wonder what we should do.... derrr.... the fact some of you are still suggesting ROR was the right move... im absolutely embarrassed for you.

But back to the point.... Where is Feaster? WTF is going on with this hockey team?!

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by edslunch

What's the safer bet? A good young player or a pick somewhere between 1 (seemed unlikely at the time) and 15? Honestly the safer bet would be ROR. Any pick is a gamble, though obviously the higher the pick the less the gamble.

I would predict that if our first round pick follows RORs trajectory most of us would be pleased. Who was the last Flames pick to that?

An honest assessment to majority of people at that time that the Flames would be drafting in the top 10 in the very least. In that position, you can pick up a centre that has high potential and is 4 years younger than ROR. Based on their performance in the minors compare to ROR, as well being a top 10 pick, they have great potential to at minimum to match ROR performance by the time they reach age 22, 4 years from now. And you still keep your 3rd rounder at that, and don't have to pay $6M at this instant when your team isn't ready for the playoffs yet.

I think the safer bet was going with the draft to find your franchise players, like every other team that is a contender has done.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by edslunch

What's the safer bet? A good young player or a pick somewhere between 1 (seemed unlikely at the time) and 15? Honestly the safer bet would be ROR. Any pick is a gamble, though obviously the higher the pick the less the gamble.

I would predict that if our first round pick follows RORs trajectory most of us would be pleased. Who was the last Flames pick to that?

ROR falls into the Flame's big mistake. They always seem to over pay. Starting next year ROR at 6.5M and the qualifying RFA offer of over 7M he will be getting paid more than Toews, Seguin, Lucic, Benn , Carter, or Mike Richards for the next 3 or 4 years.


He is definitely not at their level and may never get there.

That is the same mistake as paying Bouwmeester top 5 in the league defensemen money and getting 25-35 performance for it.


The first round pick will be getting around 3M for the next 3 years..... only if he is good enough to step straight into the NHL as a 18 year old.

[Vinny01]

There was a realistic chance the flames could have worked out a long term extension with RoR well before having to qualify him in order to keep his rights

[Flash Walken]

The difference between a top 10 or even top 15 pick and Ryan O'Reilly is potentially significant.

Kopitar, Bernier, Brandon Sutter, Ryan McDonough, Tyler Myers, Erik Karlsson, Cam Fowler, Jonas Brodin, Alex Semin... Those are all examples of players picked after 10 (many of them are 11th overall picks) but before 15th. That is also ignoring the 2003 draft where Jeff Carter, Dustin Brown and Brent Seabrook went between 10 and 15.

The chance of drafting one of those players is less certain the farther from the top 5 you get, but it is still significant. For example, the only players Calgary has drafted with an impact in the last decade have been 9th and 13th overall.

When you're talking about a potential top 5 pick, the potential return is that much greater.

I like O'Reilly. I love defensive minded players. Having said that, I think there is a big difference between him and Matt Duchene, a top 5 pick. Landeskog vs. O'Reilly is certainly up for debate, but I am inclined to take Landeskog. The difference between Duchene and O'Reilly is that O'Reilly put up 55 points as a 21 year old. Duchene did it at 18. While O'Reilly has been tearing it up since he started the season with 8 points in 10 games, Duchene has blown him out of the water with 31 in 28. That's the potential difference the Flames are looking at.

There are countless examples. A bird in the hand is often worth two in the bush, but this Flames team needs more than a sparrow or two at this point, all trading for O'Reilly would've done for this team is delay the franchise turn around another year while a team like Colorado potentially picks twice in the top 10.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Its this kind of crap that is making me think many of you have no clue WTF you are talking about.

ROR with his one decent season, sure some upside, but who knows how high... I can assure you it wont be at the heights of what the above post and many other posts/posters are grasping at...

If you think ROR is going to be a Bergeron, Krejci, Kesler(who some argue the best pound for pound 2way player in the NHL, even tho a Nuck), give your head a serious shake and consider taking a break from posting.

A top 5 pick that could turn into a Drouin or Mckinnon, both of which I have had the luxury of seeing live, you take it and run.

A 22 yo Center, debatable on being a #1 C, and sure the hell is never going to be a franchise player... or a Stamkos, Tavares, Sequin, Hall, type player (IE top 3 in a draft and all but assured to be a franchise player).

Geee... wonder what we should do.... derrr.... the fact some of you are still suggesting ROR was the right move... im absolutely embarrassed for you.

But back to the point.... Where is Feaster? WTF is going on with this hockey team?!

And how do you know this? Fact is there were a lot of knowledgeable hockey people saying similar things. As well as the Flames brass, who as laughable as they seem to be right now, have an NHL level scouting department and various resources and tools to help make their decisions.

Also, the consensus top 5 draft picks aren't guaranteed to be franchise players either. The whole thing is a gamble. You go with the best information you have and you make a decision that seems likely to help your club.

At least with ROR he has played well in the NHL. Would it have been the right move for Calgary? Nobody knows, not even you.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There was a realistic chance the flames could have worked out a long term extension with RoR well before having to qualify him in order to keep his rights

No point in hypotheticals - I could be the contrarian and say that ROR would only resign with Calgary for the 6.5 qualifier and have as much of a chance of being right as your guess.

This is a guy that was willing to play out the season in the KHL when Colorado didnt flash him the cash he wanted - zero reason to believe he is the altruistic sort and would sign for less than the QO barring a monstrous 15 year contract (which certain GMs have been known to offer... But I digress)

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

There was a realistic chance the flames could have worked out a long term extension with RoR well before having to qualify him in order to keep his rights

How realistic really? He was holding out on his current team for an unrealistic payout. There is not reason to think he wouldn't do the same with us.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Igottago

And how do you know this? Fact is there were a lot of knowledgeable hockey people saying similar things. As well as the Flames brass, who as laughable as they seem to be right now, have an NHL level scouting department and various resources and tools to help make their decisions.

Also, the consensus top 5 draft picks aren't guaranteed to be franchise players either. The whole thing is a gamble. You go with the best information you have and you make a decision that seems likely to help your club.

At least with ROR he has played well in the NHL. Would it have been the right move for Calgary? Nobody knows, not even you.

You would trade a top five pick in this draft for ROR. Is that what you are saying?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

You would trade a top five pick in this draft for ROR. Is that what you are saying?

No, I wouldn't. The Flames made the decision with the information they had at the time. They didn't look like a top 5 pick team at the time, they tried to address the centre position with a young NHL ready player. Didn't work, the wheels have fallen off the team, and now you look at what a better strategy is given the current situation.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Igottago

No, I wouldn't. The Flames made the decision with the information they had at the time. They didn't look like a top 5 pick team at the time, they tried to address the centre position with a young NHL ready player. Didn't work, the wheels have fallen off the team, and now you look at what a better strategy is given the current situation.

They were a top 5 pick team before the season started and were picking 5th or 6th at the time of the offersheet.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

They were a top 5 pick team before the season started and were picking 5th or 6th at the time of the offersheet.

Sure, but they didn't look as bad as they do currently. Lots of people thought they'd make a push to the 9-10 seed. They still might do that, the standings are that tight.

Like I said, there's plenty of unkowns. I'm not saying ROR would've been better than the top 5 pick. But I'm not ready to say he would've been a bad move either. It doesn't matter now anyways, they didn't get him. Situation is what it is now. I just hope they make the correct decision from here.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Igottago

No, I wouldn't. The Flames made the decision with the information they had at the time. They didn't look like a top 5 pick team at the time, they tried to address the centre position with a young NHL ready player. Didn't work, the wheels have fallen off the team, and now you look at what a better strategy is given the current situation.

It seemed fairly possible at the time to a lot of people that the Flames pick could be top 5. The current situation isn't much different than the situation then except now there is more complete information. It's not like O'Reilly would have been the missing piece to stop this from happening.

Feaster should have waited before making that move and I am just thankful it failed.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

They were a top 5 pick team before the season started and were picking 5th or 6th at the time of the offersheet.

Top 5 before the season started?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Top 5 before the season started?

Some people had Calgary pegged at 14th in the West. So this isn't a huge surprise for a lot of people

[Enoch Root]

wrong thread

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Top 5 before the season started?

Yes.

When you start a season and your best centre is Matt Stajan and you only have one other guy, your team is going to be terrible. Lottery terrible.

Personally, I predicted 14th.

Edit: not trying to pat myself on the back either, I wasn't the first or the only one to say this. I don't consider myself a hockey genius, but the writing was on the wall.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

If Colorado had a more competent GM, they'd be looking at having the top 2 picks in the draft, while O'Reilly was playing for the Panthers. Thankfully their lack of competence gave the Flames a mulligan. Hopefully they don't squander it.

I highly doubt that would have happened, and it hasn't been proven that it would have for sure.

[FlamesAddiction]

I don't think Feaster should be obligated to make himself visible to the fans right now, but I am really surprised that none of the media has tracked him down and forced a comment lately.