Where is Jay Feaster?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

It's gut check time for the organization. As poor as I believe Feaster is, it is highly unlikely they let him go right now...

However, does anyone really think now that ROR would have made a lick of difference, getting tis team into a playoff spot? Bear in mind, Colorado has gotten worse since his return...

Thank god colorado matched so we didn't lose our first and third

I think ROR would have taken several weeks to get into game shape, if he managed it at all this season. I think Iginla would still be on the verge of a trade, and we would go into the draft with two first rounders from Iggy + some other move.

I don't think the attempt to acquire him was a mistake, and I don't think the results of this season have anything to do with whether or not it was the right move for this franchise long-term. As has been discussed, it was the knowledge or lack thereof that they might lose him for nothing that was reprehensible.

With that said, I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that the ROR acquisition would have completely re-energized the core of this team. Much the same way that Sven's emergency recall sparked them into playing some of their best hockey last year (And when he was sent back, the next game the team was noticeably deflated).

Ultimately, getting O'Reilly would've allowed us to have four natural centers in the lineup when Cervenka actually plays the middle and Backlund isn't hurt. Which, for all the flaws the team has, would not have made us worse.

[oldschoolcalgary]

I'd rather have our first rounder IMO. And our third

People say that ROR is a legit player, but he's had one good year. Playing on the same line as Landeskog of all people.

For me, the ROR move was akin to shuffling the deck chairs in the titanic. Would he had helped Calgary eke into the playoffs? Maybe, but perpetually battling for 8th is a go no where strategy longterm

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

People say that ROR is a legit player, but he's had one good year. Playing on the same line as Landeskog of all people.

One good year? Depends how you're judging him.

He scored 8 goals as an 18 year old rookie. He scored 13 as a 19 year old sophomore. He scored 18 goals and 55 points to lead the Avs in his 3rd season as a 20 year old.

I think if we had drafted that guy we'd think he was on a pretty good development curve.

The people who keep harping on "one good season" don't seem to realize how young the kid is and that he's nowhere near his peak. Of course he's only had one year over 50 points, the kid was playing as a teenager before that.

Just bugs me when people are like, "he's only had one good year" as if that was some sort of anomalous season for him or something. Most likely the future is only brighter for a kid like that.

O'Reilly would have been a big piece of this team going forward. On a team that lacks any impact young players outside of Backlund, Brodie and Sven.

As for those who say he'd have no impact, he has 8 points in 10 games for the Avs so far. Hard to imagine he wouldn't have improved the Flames as he would have been their #1 centre immediately.

But w/e. Time to move on and make the most of those picks.

[moon]

My issue with ROR is that he is (and looks like going foward he only ever will be) a 2nd line center. That is not what this team needs going forward. Adding him seems to give the management team an excuse to keep trying to "retool" and finishing 8th-12th.

While their is a chance he turns out better than the pick based on what we have seen and heard from Feaster adding him would make me very worried that the team isn't making the necessary changes this team needs to become a contender.

ROR is a piece you add during the upswing of your retool/build not two years before you start to turn the corner and certainly not as a core piece of your team.

[oldschoolcalgary]

I think Moon has put it succinctly.

And it has been one good year. Has he been developing? Absolutely. Would I trade what would have been a top 10 pick for RoR? No way.

He is not a difference maker, an elite talent. He's a number 2 C.

Calgary has a chance to get an elite player in the top 5 as it stands, and getting that is much better than being a 9th place team and losing our draft picks.

This team does lack any impact players. That's why you keep your picks.

We'll see how RoR turns out...but 6.5 qualifying offer is way to rich for a number 2 center and losing the first and 3rd picks in one of the most talented drafts since the Phaneuf year would be awful for this franchise

[Roof-Daddy]

A #2 C?

Why? ...because he doesn't look like he'll end up being a point per game, high producing offensive center?

Hogwash.

He's a Bergeron/Krejci/Kesler/M. Richards type center in the making IMO.

Usually 50-60 points, great defensively, wins draws, gives it everything he's got every shift in an effort to win and once in a while will have a 60+ point season.

That, IMO, is what we missed out on and it's too bad.

[killer_carlson]

Based on that analysis, pavel Datsyuk is a #2 center!

[Joborule]

I agree with moon. ROR may be a player that can become a 1st line player, but I would rather place safer bet on the first or second chosen centre in this year draft who would probably be a better player than ROR and younger at that. Plus get to keep the third.

In the position the Flames are in right now, build through the draft and utilize your picks. Don't give up multiple ones for just one player when one of those picks will likely get you a better one. It was a stupid move, even without the potential gaff that could've occurred. It's at that point that I've lost all faith in Feaster.

[oldschoolcalgary]

LOL

fine, people have their opinions too.

We'll just have to wait and see guess

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

That, IMO, is what we missed out on and it's too bad.

Apart from the fact that we wouldn't have gotten him no matter what, I'm glad the Avs matched the offer.

I didn't really think the Flames would do this bad, but I think Top 3 prospect who will be willing to help them Flames when they need it (ie, 3-4 years down the line) is much more valuable to me than a guy who might be out of here by the time we can make some noise.

[Sylvanfan]

If Colorado had a more competent GM, they'd be looking at having the top 2 picks in the draft, while O'Reilly was playing for the Panthers. Thankfully their lack of competence gave the Flames a mulligan. Hopefully they don't squander it.

[FAN]

[QUOTE=Flames Draft Watcher;

Just bugs me when people are like, "he's only had one good year" as if that was some sort of anomalous season for him or something. Most likely the future is only brighter for a kid like that.
[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should just take it easy. RoR has only had one season where he was productive enough to be considered a desirable 2nd line center. There is a risk that last season was an anomaly. Young players regress all the time. I think it's a legitimate concern that RoR will regress.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

A #2 C?

Why? ...because he doesn't look like he'll end up being a point per game, high producing offensive center?

Hogwash.

He's a Bergeron/Krejci/Kesler/M. Richards type center in the making IMO.

Usually 50-60 points, great defensively, wins draws, gives it everything he's got every shift in an effort to win and once in a while will have a 60+ point season.

That, IMO, is what we missed out on and it's too bad.

Because he has shown limited offensive talents (relative to other top players) throughout his junior career.

He may turn out to be as good as those guys mentioned but he has a lot more to prove before he should be considered in that group.

Even if he does turn out to be that 2nd tier of 1st line center is it really likely that in the 2 years that we vastly overpay him this team does anything than maybe make the play-offs and lose in the first round?

After that when we have to qualify him at a ridiculous price is it likely that we are a contender for those next 3 years?

[Vox]

Originally Posted by moon

Because he has shown limited offensive talents (relative to other top players) throughout his junior career.

He may turn out to be as good as those guys mentioned but he has a lot more to prove before he should be considered in that group.

Even if he does turn out to be that 2nd tier of 1st line center is it really likely that in the 2 years that we vastly overpay him this team does anything than maybe make the play-offs and lose in the first round?

After that when we have to qualify him at a ridiculous price is it likely that we are a contender for those next 3 years?

He was 24th in scoring for centers last year. Point wise, he's already a number 1 center.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Can't see anyway that he keeps his job after this season. Feaster had a hard challenge set in front of him with the mandate in place, but he totally failed on the first mandate. He has said he is not the right guy for a rebuild and it looks like he is not the right guy for a re-tool.

I agree, he barely got the job in the first place.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I think Moon has put it succinctly.

And it has been one good year. Has he been developing? Absolutely. Would I trade what would have been a top 10 pick for RoR? No way.

He is not a difference maker, an elite talent. He's a number 2 C.

Calgary has a chance to get an elite player in the top 5 as it stands, and getting that is much better than being a 9th place team and losing our draft picks.

This team does lack any impact players. That's why you keep your picks.

We'll see how RoR turns out...but 6.5 qualifying offer is way to rich for a number 2 center and losing the first and 3rd picks in one of the most talented drafts since the Phaneuf year would be awful for this franchise

Exactly

Seriously, would you rather have mackinnon or ror?

Because that is what the ror to calgary supporters are saying.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Vox

He was 24th in scoring for centers last year. Point wise, he's already a number 1 center.

I didn't say no offensive talent. But considering he was a low scoring guy in juniors (again for top level guys) it seems more likely that last year was an aberration rather than a likely trend.

And one year seems pretty small sample size to say already.

[Vinny01]

It is likely RoR would have blossomed offensively in jr had he not made the nhl at 18. Either way it has all worked out for the flames as we have our pick and if it is top 5 i rather have that than RoR @ $5M

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

One good year? Depends how you're judging him.

He scored 8 goals as an 18 year old rookie. He scored 13 as a 19 year old sophomore. He scored 18 goals and 55 points to lead the Avs in his 3rd season as a 20 year old.

I think if we had drafted that guy we'd think he was on a pretty good development curve.

The people who keep harping on "one good season" don't seem to realize how young the kid is and that he's nowhere near his peak. Of course he's only had one year over 50 points, the kid was playing as a teenager before that.

Just bugs me when people are like, "he's only had one good year" as if that was some sort of anomalous season for him or something. Most likely the future is only brighter for a kid like that.

O'Reilly would have been a big piece of this team going forward. On a team that lacks any impact young players outside of Backlund, Brodie and Sven.

As for those who say he'd have no impact, he has 8 points in 10 games for the Avs so far. Hard to imagine he wouldn't have improved the Flames as he would have been their #1 centre immediately.

But w/e. Time to move on and make the most of those picks.

It was one year. Deal with it.

[David Struch]

At least Feaster has been targeting centres that are young enough to play alongside Sven Baertschi (19) & Johnny Gaudreau (19) ... Ryan O'Reilly (21) Kyle Turris (23)