[News] Friedman: Feaster/Flames are not going to blow it up

[Mr.Coffee]

to not re-sign Iginla before the deadline, and to then subsequently not trade him before the deadline... it would be tough to cheer for this team after that. Seriously. A baboon could figure this out. And the day he goes and signs with some team in the offseason, that will be a calgarypuck spectacular- that day.

Also, I suspect a couple of teams he may waive for, would be Montreal, or even arguably Carolina (in addition to the usual suspects, Boston, Pittsburgh).

[browna]

I think Iginla is in a REAL tough situation, for many reasons. He's got some control over the situation, but not total control. The consequences of going, or staying, will be many and affect himself, his image and obviously the organization's future. Delicate to deal with and a lot of moving parts.

[Vulcan]

One thing is that Iginla is at that stage when he has to decide where he is going to live when he retires. I'd say it's probably in Calgary so it's best that he remains on good terms with his Calgary fans. On the other hand I think he should do what's best for him now and let the future take care of itself.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by browna

I think Iginla is in a REAL tough situation, for many reasons. He's got some control over the situation, but not total control. The consequences of going, or staying, will be many and affect himself, his image and obviously the organization's future. Delicate to deal with and a lot of moving parts.

How is he not talking to management saying "trade me to pittsburgh and I will resign with you in the offseason."???

That way he gets his shot at the cup and comes home after being a loaner in an already shortened season. He's not the villain to Calgary, he doesn't uproot his family, and he helps out the Future of the Flames.

[nik-]

Because I don't think the intent is to do that. Once he's gone, he's probably gone until he retires.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Hmm. Gotta say I like my way better.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

playing with the best player in the game...before Iginla he was a defensive 3rd line center

The Flames gave him the opportunity to show his play making skills. Besides when you have Pierre Turgen as your top center and Pavol Demitra as your second it's not surprising he was centering the 3rd line.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Ddavid

I dont see how anyone can think this is not a winning team. We have all the pieces in both scoring and defense not to mention goaltending. We just have to figure it out with the chemistry and we will be riding into the playoffs

Based on what? What signs do you see that suggest this team is anything but what we see in the standings?

I mean sure, when you look at Nashville and San Jose, you can say that those teams have had it before so nobody is going to be surprised if they have it again. When you look at Edmonton you can at least say that their core is young, they could really start putting it together any day now. (Heh.)

But us?

This team has failed to make it to the playoffs three times in a row already. We're doing about the same as last year (10-11-4 vs. 11-12-2), but our +/- is notably worse. When we lose, we get blown off the ice, so it's not like we're just having some bad bounces. Our two supposedly best players have been carrying us for almost a decade now, so they're not going to give us something we haven't seen before. Our offseason signings are doing pretty much as expected already. We've been collecting points at pretty much the same pace for the whole season. I mean okay, we've gone from winning about 1 game in 3 to winning about 2 games in 5, but we're also mostly winning at home, and we have 3 more road games than home games left in the schedule. And as a lot of people said in the midseason player evaluation thread, most players on this team have been giving about the results that were expected of them.

I would really like to think that there is more to this team, but I need something more than wishful thinking for that. If you've got something, please share.

We' have the smallest and second oldest team in the NHL. That alone tells you a lot about our playoff chances.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

I wish they would trade them all, including Iginla and Kipper, try to accumulate as many picks as possible and then be players in the UFA market, the trade market (with teams needing to get under the cap) and amongst bought out players. This offseason is unique in the sense that:

1) There will likely be somewhere around 15-20 bought out players around the league, much higher than in other years.
2) The following teams have around 1 million dollars a player to spend to complete their rosters:

Philadelphia, Vancouver, Chicago, Tampa, Boston, San Jose. I would suggest all of those teams may be prime for the picking in terms of getting players off their roster in trades where the team may even pick up some of the salary and give the Flames a second rounder to take the player.

Take the Hawks for instance, if I was the Flames I would consider the following trade:

Olesz
Pirri

for
Brady Lamb

The guy is in all likelihood done, but you are getting a decent prospect in Pirri for a Brady Lamb. The Flames eat a year of Olesz salary, the Hawks may do it because they need to clear cap room and even after potentially buying out Frolik and Oduya, they would only have 10 million to sign:

Nick Leddy
Marcus Kruger
Stalhberg
A backup goalie
three other players

If the Flames do a decent job at the deadline this year, I think there are unique opportunities to continue the rebuild this offseason and pick up even more prospects and perhaps even the odd decent player or two.

Beers, this is the key point that I do agree with you on. The Flames won't improve or suck worse than these type of roster moves. Another team ripe for the picking is Minnesota, because of their recent cap contributions to Parise and Suter. Plus it's a divisional opponent.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by FaninKorea#1

I'll be sure to not renew my tickets if they decide to blow up this team. Oilers have proven that re-building and losing every season is not a solution for success. Minus their Cup run, they have been horrible for the better part of a decade. I have no interest in watching a team like that in Calgary. Build on pieces that we have, which includes the young prospects. If we lose the veteran presence then we will be exacltly like the Oilers have been for the last 6 years....last place.

We're going to lose the veteran presence soon enough when they get old and useless, or retire.

And nobody has seriously advocated trading away everyone over 29. But have you taken the time to project what this roster looks like three seasons from now, without indulging in the delusion that all of the FLames' prospects develop to their maximim potential?

Oh, and the Oilers didn't rebuild; they just sucked for a long time. We're following in their footsteps.

[kehatch]

Iginla speaking about giving us a playoff shot. Of taking advantage of the next two home games.

One, I don't want a team fighting for a long shot of 8 place. I want a team firmly on the playoffs fighting for home ice advantage and being spoke of as one the the Stanley Cup contenders. Feaster said that is the objective. So far Feaster is full of crap.

Two, wasn't the last road trip the big opportunity? The one where Iginla said we had to be at least 500 at the end of. Because by my math they were two games under at the end of that. It is like a Perpetual gambling addiction.

Neither of those are Iginla's fault. While on the team he has to keep grasping.

But I am sick of being at the bottom grasping for chances. I am sick of the same old comments. I am sick of the almost condescending tone coming from the team because the fans have thrown in the towel. Most of all I am sick of talk with no action and doing the same old over and over.

I have no idea how some people swallow the crap each season. We are at four years. Are people going to be defending this mess at five? Eight? Ten?

[North East Goon]

How does New Jersey remain competive year after year, lose a star player here make an amazing trade for Loktoniov here. I really would like to get in there heads.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

How does New Jersey remain competive year after year, lose a star player here make an amazing trade for Loktoniov here. I really would like to get in there heads.

They have Lou

Flames have KK and 'insert GM name here'

Big difference. Flames should make a ten year commitment to a guy like Burke and just live with it.

Fletcher never feared regime change, and he was awesome. A genius.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Iginla speaking about giving us a playoff shot. Of taking advantage of the next two home games.

One, I don't want a team fighting for a long shot of 8 place. I want a team firmly on the playoffs fighting for home ice advantage and being spoke of as one the the Stanley Cup contenders. Feaster said that is the objective. So far Feaster is full of crap.

Two, wasn't the last road trip the big opportunity? The one where Iginla said we had to be at least 500 at the end of. Because by my math they were two games under at the end of that. It is like a Perpetual gambling addiction.

Neither of those are Iginla's fault. While on the team he has to keep grasping.

But I am sick of being at the bottom grasping for chances. I am sick of the same old comments. I am sick of the almost condescending tone coming from the team because the fans have thrown in the towel. Most of all I am sick of talk with no action and doing the same old over and over.

I have no idea how some people swallow the crap each season. We are at four years. Are people going to be defending this mess at five? Eight? Ten?

The math is very simple, we can't draft. So, were stuck endlessly signing players 29+ to help a core that continually gets older.

Iginla is not the problem here, never has been. By now, there should be a core that is pushing him to being a 2nd line winger.

All we can do now is trade guys like Cammy, Tangs, Bouw etc. for 22-24 year olds that show promise/semi-promise. Relying on first round picks other than top 3 (hard lottery to win) isnt going to get us anywhere - Leland Irving is gone after this season, another failed pick....

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Iginla speaking about giving us a playoff shot. Of taking advantage of the next two home games.

One, I don't want a team fighting for a long shot of 8 place. I want a team firmly on the playoffs fighting for home ice advantage and being spoke of as one the the Stanley Cup contenders. Feaster said that is the objective. So far Feaster is full of crap.

Two, wasn't the last road trip the big opportunity? The one where Iginla said we had to be at least 500 at the end of. Because by my math they were two games under at the end of that. It is like a Perpetual gambling addiction.

Neither of those are Iginla's fault. While on the team he has to keep grasping.

But I am sick of being at the bottom grasping for chances. I am sick of the same old comments. I am sick of the almost condescending tone coming from the team because the fans have thrown in the towel. Most of all I am sick of talk with no action and doing the same old over and over.

I have no idea how some people swallow the crap each season. We are at four years. Are people going to be defending this mess at five? Eight? Ten?

The bolded part is part of the reason i want Iggy off the team. As long as he is on the team they will continue to grasp. I really wonder if Iggy was not on the team right now if they would still be grasping for a playoff spot, or using " intellectual honesty" if they were still in the same position they are in now?

By no means do i blame Iggy for it , its all on ownership.

[North East Goon]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

They have Lou

Flames have KK and 'insert GM name here'

Big difference. Flames should make a ten year commitment to a guy like Burke and just live with it.

Fletcher never feared regime change, and he was awesome. A genius.

Yup, this management by committee stuff has gone on to long. Wake up Flames!!!

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I guess the Burke rumour was bogus. By now there would have been some sort of leak to media and twitter.

Agreed. The only people that were talking about it on twitter clearly had CP accounts.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by North East Goon

How does New Jersey remain competive year after year, lose a star player here make an amazing trade for Loktoniov here. I really would like to get in there heads.

Man I've been wanting Loktionov for the past 18 months (lots of posts for backup, wanting to snag Lokti and Voynov before they broke out)... when we're thin at center, and all he cost was a 5th round pick, I'm a bit bummed Feaster didn't go after him. It was obvious that he was limited due to LA's depth charts.

Funny to look back

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ight=Loktionov

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[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Man I've been wanting Loktionov for the past 18 months (lots of posts for backup, wanting to snag Lokti and Voynov before they broke out)... when we're thin at center, and all he cost was a 5th round pick, I'm a bit bummed Feaster didn't go after him. It was obvious that he was limited due to LA's depth charts.

Funny to look back

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...ight=Loktionov

How was what he said wrong? He was TRADED for a 7th round pick.

Obviously other GMs felt the same way.

[Roof-Daddy]

Loki was traded for a 5th round pick. (Accuracy point)