Justin Trudeau running for Liberal leadership

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

So giving money to other countries rather than Canadians outside this province is what exactly? If you hate the rest of Canada outside Alberta, again, not sure what else you'd call it. It's the same for Quebecers who hate the rest of Canada. We are Canadians first and foremost, not Albertans first and foremost. If people here want to seperate to keep the oil to themselves by all means go for it. But choosing to assist others outside our own country rather than assisting people in our own country...not sure what else I'd describe it as.

I love how "I don't want to pay for your daycare" became "I hate you." Those aren't equivalent statements.

[North East Goon]

I like the fact that J. Trudeau chose Calgary as one of his first stops, nothing wrong with extending olive branches, we don't need to be a divided nation.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I send money to the Red Cross for famine relief. Should I put my hands behind my back or just prepare for summary execution?

I'd rather support actual poor people than entitlement programs I don't believe in or benefit from. You might disagree with me, but the opinion certainly isn't treasonous.

Kind of, sort of a massive difference between giving your personal money to other countries versus giving government money to other countries. What you do with your money is your choice. Giving government money away to other countries rather than our own citizens? No freaking thank you.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Kind of, sort of a massive difference between giving your personal money to other countries versus giving government money to other countries. What you do with your money is your choice. Giving government money away to other countries rather than our own citizens? No freaking thank you.

So the Government of Canada can't give to the Red Cross either?

I'm a citizen of this country, and a participator in the government, and I wouldn't mind it one bit if my country chose to give to truly needy people regardless of the cover of their passport. If I vote with this in mind, I'm a traitor?

Dude, think before you type. Honestly.

[1stLand]

Trudeau needs to hire Nenshi's former campaign strategist / manager and run a campaign built on Food Trucks through the prairies for long haul truckers. Easiest and quickest way to win back the hearts, minds and bellies of those out west.

Also, needs to start asking 'alot of tough questions'.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Knalus

So the Government of Canada can't give to the Red Cross either?

I'm a citizen of this country, and a participator in the government, and I wouldn't mind it one bit if my country chose to give to truly needy people regardless of the cover of their passport. If I vote with this in mind, I'm a traitor?

Dude, think before you type. Honestly.

So its the government of Canada's job to take care of citizens from other countries before its own citizens? If after all obligations to Canadians has been taken care of, the government can send all the money it wants to help the poor around the world (although lets be real, most Canadians will demand a tax cut if there's excess revenue left). But suggesting we should give money to other countries before actually taking care of Canadians? No thanks. You can donate to charity at your hearts content. But our government shouldn't be doing so until it takes care of us first.

[GP_Matt]

Do you consider CIDA to be a treasonous organization within the Canadian government?

Their entire mandate is international development. That means sending money to places like South Sudan to help them develop.

[Senator Clay Davis]

There is a difference between doing what we are already doing, with CIDA, and choosing to take money away from Canadians (and lets be real, its Quebecers in particular) to give to other nations. You don't have to like the fact its going to Quebec, but they are still a part of this country, like it or not. For those who want to live in a country without Quebec, there's always the seperation option...but Quebec won't do it despite what everyone here thinks, so that obviously only leaves one option...

And for the record, I didn't actually call it treasonous, rather borderline treasonous. Slight difference, I know.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And for the record, I didn't actually call it treasonous, rather borderline treasonous. Slight difference, I know.

Right, and I never said I hated people from Quebec, only that there are things I'd rather have the gov't use money for than entitlement programs for other provinces that vastly exceed the benefits I've gotten as an Albertan. A difference of opinion on how the gov't should spend our money isn't anywhere close to treason, it's why we hold elections. So Canadians can express their differing opinions on what they want from their gov't.

I know Quebec is a master of making everything anyone says contrary to their interests a hate issue, but that's really not the case here.

[Azure]

I would like Canada to help its own citizens first, but there is no reason we can't do international outreach as well.

[GP_Matt]

Bump
It looks like Marc Garneau has dropped out of the race leaving Justin Trudeau as an almost sure thing to take the leadership helm of the Liberal party.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'm actually really dissapointed in MG, but it was pretty clear from the start that the Liberal PArty was going to throw his weight behind the trust fund baby. If any of the candidates dared to say anything negative about Truedeau they were thrashed backstage and forced to apologize.

I'm just wondering what Trudeau offered MG to step aside.

Hopefully the kind treatment of Justin ends, I don't think he's smart enough to stand up to the thrashing that he's going to get from both sides, and he's certainly given both sides a lot of ammo to go after him.

I lost a little bit of respect for MG due to his lack of fight.

[crazy_eoj]

I'm pretty sad to hear this too. I think MG was a great potential leader and someone with some really good ideas for this country.

I don't feel the same way about Trudeau at all...

[Jacks]

Yet another coronation for the Liberals.

[Zarley]

That's a shame. I thought Garneau was the best candidate and I could've easily seen myself voting for him - hard to say the same about Trudeau.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by crazy_eoj

I'm pretty sad to hear this too. I think MG was a great potential leader and someone with some really good ideas for this country.

I don't feel the same way about Trudeau at all...

Unfortunately MG has probably tossed any of his credibility out the window now in terms of ever running for the Liberal leadership again. He just proved that he was too chickensh%t to take on the Liberal establishment and fight for what he beleived in.

I would love to see if the Conservatives could bring him across the floor

They'll have a party leader opening in about 7 years.

[Jacks]

If Garneau could have survived the first ballot he had a decent shot to consolidate all the non-Trudeau votes. I think Dion and Stelmach proved that it can be done.

[CaptainCrunch]

Warren Kinsella is probably frantically touching himself after this announcement

[Slava]

The mere fact that this is a group of pure Wildrose/CPC supporters saying he should've stuck it out basically tells me he made the right decision. I happen to like Garneau, and other candidates ahead of Justin, but rank and file CPC supporters saying that because its Trudeau who will win is what is going to have them vote Harper again is hilarious.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Jacks

If Garneau could have survived the first ballot he had a decent shot to consolidate all the non-Trudeau votes. I think Dion and Stelmach proved that it can be done.

He couldn't survive the first ballot.

Even if he could have such a thing would only really be possible if the Liberals still had a delegated convention style leadership selection process. After switching to a preferenial ballot it'd be next to impossible since there would have had to have been both a stated and organized effort to put Justin Trudeau's name last in order of preference and there would have needed to have been a significantly more even gap amoungst contenders.