How much longer do you think the Oilers will be this bad for?

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

Hall has been forcced to play top-line minutes because there is no one else on that crap-tastic team to do so. If Seguin was given all the minutes Hall is forced to play the stats would further prove who's the better player. Add in the facts that only Oilers fans (and the easy to orgasmate media) see improvement in Hall's game. It's his 3rd year in the league and he's done what, exactly? Niminated for the Calder? Nope. Lead rookies in scoring? Nope. Catapulted the last place to draft him team beyond the bottom of the league? Hell no.

Meanwhile Seguin is developing at a much greater pace. His play at both ends of the ice eclipses Hall's. He's already got a cup to boot while Hall's team loses, loses and then loses some more. Hall will max-out his potential with the Oilers long before Seguin reaches his potential. Another example of properly developing a young star vs tossing a flashy kid infront of 18,000 screaming mullets in order to sell jerseys.

You go on to further prove the point of how bad the Oilers are and will continue to be by flat out stating you'd pick the flashy but falls down a lot Hall over the poise that would be a tremendous center in Seguin. But hey, keep buying those Hall jerseys because that's what Lowe and company have been selling you for years and will continue to milk you for. Tyler certain thanks you for it to all the way to the cup finals with his shiny ring. Something Hall won't ever get a wiff of as long as he's wearing horrendous blue and copper.

Thanks for your condescending post, reminds me why I don't really want to have this conversation with people like you.

[TKB]

I thought I read somewhere that Seguin has mostly played wing with the Bruins so far in his career? Anyone watch Bruin games enough to know if that is true? I personally think Seguin and Hall are very even players who will put up similar numbers throughout there careers.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by TKB

I thought I read somewhere that Seguin has mostly played wing with the Bruins so far in his career? Anyone watch Bruin games enough to know if that is true? I personally think Seguin and Hall are very even players who will put up similar numbers throughout there careers.

Ya he is their first line RW. Plays with Bergeron and Marchand

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's such a weak arguement in support of a player. Flames should trade Iginla for Penner. Guy has two cups. He's just a winnah!

An Oiler fan would know what a winnah Penner is, I'll still never forget what a win Oiler fans claimed it was when they stole Dustbin Panhandler from the Ducks after he won the Cup.

Haha stupid Oylaz.

[dammage79]

Only reason for the Flames to go and get Penner would be for an annual participant in the Stampede Pancake eating contest. Just gotta make sure to get a good back brace for him.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Only reason for the Flames to go and get Penner would be for an annual participant in the Stampede Pancake eating contest. Just gotta make sure to get a good back brace for him.

But, but...

[Lentulus Batiatus]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Thanks for your condescending post, reminds me why I don't really want to have this conversation with people like you.

You are the one who said you'd pick Hall every day of the week. You can't/won't win that argument with anyone who's watched both players play so you just take your Hall and go home. Enjoy his self-centered play for another few years. It will sell more jerseys and ensure the Oilers remain exactly where they are.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's such a weak arguement in support of a player. Flames should trade Iginla for Penner. Guy has two cups. He's just a winnah!

You should know the difference between a player playing on the Oilers and a player playing on the Bruins.

The Bruins demand defensive accountability because they want to win games, the Oilers dont.

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

Hall has been forcced to play top-line minutes because there is no one else on that crap-tastic team to do so. If Seguin was given all the minutes Hall is forced to play the stats would further prove who's the better player. Add in the facts that only Oilers fans (and the easy to orgasmate media) see improvement in Hall's game. It's his 3rd year in the league and he's done what, exactly? Niminated for the Calder? Nope. Lead rookies in scoring? Nope. Catapulted the last place to draft him team beyond the bottom of the league? Hell no.

Meanwhile Seguin is developing at a much greater pace. His play at both ends of the ice eclipses Hall's. He's already got a cup to boot while Hall's team loses, loses and then loses some more. Hall will max-out his potential with the Oilers long before Seguin reaches his potential. Another example of properly developing a young star vs tossing a flashy kid infront of 18,000 screaming mullets in order to sell jerseys.

You go on to further prove the point of how bad the Oilers are and will continue to be by flat out stating you'd pick the flashy but falls down a lot Hall over the poise that would be a tremendous center in Seguin. But hey, keep buying those Hall jerseys because that's what Lowe and company have been selling you for years and will continue to milk you for. Tyler certain thanks you for it to all the way to the cup finals with his shiny ring. Something Hall won't ever get a wiff of as long as he's wearing horrendous blue and copper.

based on what exactly?
cause other than your condescending slated post, seems to me you're basing this all on your opinion...

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

That's such a weak arguement in support of a player. Flames should trade Iginla for Penner. Guy has two cups. He's just a winnah!

It's a reality. One that the Flames have experience with.

Hagman racks up points for a terrible Leafs team - garbage.
Stajan.
Bouwmeester.
Jokinen.
Comeau.

Players who put up points on crap teams aren't as good as their numbers on normal teams.

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by Locke

This.

Hall is getting more opportunity because his supporting cast is hot garbage. Hes playing a solo game to rack up points while Seguin is doing this weird thing that Hall is completely unfamiliar with, its called......winning.

Hall has never won?



he's got 2 Memorial Cup MVP trophy's...what a loser

put Seguin on the Oilers...think he's "winning"?

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Hall has never won?



he's got 2 Memorial Cup MVP trophy's...what a loser

put Seguin on the Oilers...think he's "winning"?

I bet with Seguin on the team the Oilers wouldn't be 30th and 29th.

And Seguin isn't a dirty piece of crap like Hall is.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Hall has never won?



he's got 2 Memorial Cup MVP trophy's...what a loser

put Seguin on the Oilers...think he's "winning"?

No.

And thats exactly my point.

Seguin is being asked to play a responsible game on a responsible team that is committed to winning and he has to compete against good players for premium ice time.

Hall is not. Hence Hall has more points.

All I was saying is that; 'more points' does not necessarily equal 'better player.'

[Hemmer]

Originally Posted by Lentulus Batiatus

You are the one who said you'd pick Hall every day of the week. You can't/won't win that argument with anyone who's watched both players play so you just take your Hall and go home. Enjoy his self-centered play for another few years. It will sell more jerseys and ensure the Oilers remain exactly where they are.

Self-centered play??? He's leading the team with 18 assists in only 23 games played. That stat alone shows you Hall is not a self-centered, selfish player.

Just because Hall goes balls out on every shift and sometimes tries to do a bit much on his own, don't mix that up with self-centered play.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Locke

No.

And thats exactly my point.

Seguin is being asked to play a responsible game on a responsible team that is committed to winning and he has to compete against good players for premium ice time.

Hall is not. Hence Hall has more points.

All I was saying is that; 'more points' does not necessarily equal 'better player.'

Taylor Hall has averaged 18.82 TOI vs 17.06 for Seguin this season. I would hardly say that Seguin is not getting the ice time. And this is a straw man, Hall has to play the game he has been asked to play and he has done well at it.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Chicago attained success after they gained a more stable ownership that became committed to icing a good team.

I'm a little confused. The one thing the Blackhawks have had since the original six was stable ownership. Maybe too stable.

[Lentulus Batiatus]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

Taylor Hall has averaged 18.82 TOI vs 17.06 for Seguin this season. I would hardly say that Seguin is not getting the ice time. And this is a straw man, Hall has to play the game he has been asked to play and he has done well at it.

Hall's been asked to play balls-out every shift turning pucks over while Oilly fans get all excited each time because their PBP guy creams his pants? Gotcha. Again, proves the point.

I still remember the second game in Stabmonton during Hall's rookie year. When ho took the puck and skated 2.5 laps around the Flames zone. Their PBP guy's saliva splattering anyone within 50 feet at how awesome he was. The entire time all 4 other Oilers were easily covered by Flames and bouwmeester shadowed Hall completely untill the kid got tired and blindly back-hand dumped the puck into the corner turning it over. His game hasn't changed much since then yet you Oily fans seem to think he's the next Crosby.

The Oilers are bad from the owner to the dressing room attendant. They can't do what's most important and that is win, consistently and when it matters. They showed it by losing 19 straight games. They continue to show it by finishing dead last or damn near it if not for some miracle early season goaltending. In 10 years Seguin will be an NHL winner no matter where he is playing. Hall will be an after though much like Cogliano and Nilson in Edmonton. Unless they do something smart (not bloody likely) and trade some of their cash-cow jerseys to address the glaring holes on their team.

Remember, your franchise is run by the guy who said "We don't celebrate losing" and refused to show up with the team for a celebration held by the city only to hold draft lottery parties every year for the past 3 seasons. It's parroted by the guy who said "we won't be here again" at his second consecutive draft lottery show on TSN then stood with a pathetic grin on his face when his team lucks out and "wins" the lotto in a third year. It's a culture of fail and Hall fits in far better into that than Seguin would.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by burn_baby_burn

I'm a little confused. The one thing the Blackhawks have had since the original six was stable ownership. Maybe too stable.

the old man died and his son took over dynamically changing the ownership of that team

[Karl Huungus]

The Oilers will be bad until their management fills out the rest of the team with role players that play up to their salary. When that happens they should get good pretty fast with the offensive talent they are currently developing.

[MoneyGuy]

This thread reminds me of the theists-versus-atheists threads.

We're right! No, we are! God exists and you're dumb. No he doesn't and you're an idiot.

No one ever convinces the other side of anything.

Fun to read, but that's about all.

My dad can beat up your dad! No he can't; my dad would kill your dad.