[News] Friedman: Feaster/Flames are not going to blow it up

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Looks like he's had it forcibly shut again.

We haven't heard peep from him or King since the O'Reilly fiasco.

Maybe we should stick his mug on some milk cartons.

That is true. No radio, TV or even a quote in the paper. For a guy that has shown no tendency to be shy, it sure seems weird that he doesn't even pop up to address the 0-3 road trip.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

The Keenan interview is hearsay. Most of the rest of the evidence is circumstantial. Be careful with your terminology.

The most glaring circumstantial evidence in my mind is Feaster's explosion after the loss to (I think) the Oilers, where he uttered the famous "fool me once" words then utterly failed to follow up on his bluster.

I am not sure there is even much in the way of circumstantial evidence.

Feaster shooting his mouth off is I guess one, though it's a stretch. Keenan for sure. What are the others?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

That is true. No radio, TV or even a quote in the paper. For a guy that has shown no tendency to be shy, it sure seems weird that he doesn't even pop up to address the 0-3 road trip.

And neither has King, also an incredibly visible and vocal member of Calgary's hockey operations department.

Legs to this Burke Rumour, perhaps?

[868904]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think the reason many (including myself0 see the dread hand of King or Murrey (or both as I believe) on the team is because it has been clear for 3 seasons the team is done and needs to be rebuilt, now when Sutter was in charge you could argue he was a stubbern old sod and was riding his team into the sunset come hell or high water, but when Feaster was hired to replace Sutter (with little due process, which in hockey/business terms tends to be the equivalent of fingers in the ears singing 'I can't hear you') and yet he continued to follow the same completely senseless path that Sutter had taken the team it makes no hockey sense what so ever.

So either Feaster is a moron or someone with no hockey smarts what so ever is realy running the show and Feaster is just being a good lawyer and following his clients instructions, them's your choices pick whichever.

Don't forget that last year at the deadline Feaster made those comments about changes coming and then did absolutely nothing except re-sign Jackman.

SOMEONE got to Feaster and stopped him from tearing the team apart, because his words and body language suggested that he made the same realization that the majority of hockey people in the world realized, that it was time to rebuild.

Feaster's been singing a consistent "win now" tune ever since. I'm guessing whoever administered that whipping on him laid it on pretty good.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

And neither has King, also an incredibly visible and vocal member of Calgary's hockey operations department.

Legs to this Burke Rumour, perhaps?

I would hope nobody has said anything because they're sufficiently embarrassed, know they screwed up, and they actually have work to do preparing for the deadline.

[moon]

Originally Posted by 868904

Feaster's been singing a consistent "win now" tune ever since. I'm guessing whoever administered that whipping on him laid it on pretty good.

Feaster has been singing a "win now" tune since he got hired. I think it is pretty generous to Feaster to put this on ownership/King meddling when he has said all along the exact same things about win now, keep Jarome, anything can happen etc.

He has shown in the past that he would leave if owners meddled and at best if he is cow towing to owners and letting them meddle then he is a garbage GM for letting that happen.

I think it was another case of Feaster spouting off at the mouth and figuring there was no reason he had to back it up since he has since the day he got here.

[indes]

I hope the Burke rumors have something to them, I have no faith left in feaster to assemble a winning team. 2 centers? Really? We have a whole team of secondary scorers. You can't win without role players and we have none of those guys in the top 9. The team is way too soft and is really just a mish mash of former 20g scorers. I liked the wideman and hudler signings but if you want to acquire free agents you need to move some guys out. Is it 8 defenseman now? Just quantity over quality. We can't even define our team because they have no identity and just lack character overall. It's really starting to get to me.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by 868904

Don't forget that last year at the deadline Feaster made those comments about changes coming and then did absolutely nothing except re-sign Jackman.

SOMEONE got to Feaster and stopped him from tearing the team apart, because his words and body language suggested that he made the same realization that the majority of hockey people in the world realized, that it was time to rebuild.

Feaster's been singing a consistent "win now" tune ever since. I'm guessing whoever administered that whipping on him laid it on pretty good.

You really think the owners would give a rats ass if he had traded jackman or sarich or moss?

Who was he going to trade that didn't have a no move clause, would have made sense to trade at the time, and would have remotely counted as tearing the team apart?

Look at that list and then decide if the owners would have stepped in on any of those guys.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

You really think the owners would give a rats ass if he had traded jackman or sarich or moss?

Who was he going to trade that didn't have a no move clause, would have made sense to trade at the time, and would have remotely counted as tearing the team apart?

Look at that list and then decide if the owners would have stepped in on any of those guys.

So why didn't he? 2.6M of those players are regular healthy scratches, the other left for nothing. I know the success rate of later round picks isn't great, but I'd rather have had a couple thirds and a fifth than what we ended up with.

[868904]

Originally Posted by moon

Feaster has been singing a "win now" tune since he got hired. I think it is pretty generous to Feaster to put this on ownership/King meddling when he has said all along the exact same things about win now, keep Jarome, anything can happen etc.

He has shown in the past that he would leave if owners meddled and at best if he is cow towing to owners and letting them meddle then he is a garbage GM for letting that happen.

I think it was another case of Feaster spouting off at the mouth and figuring there was no reason he had to back it up since he has since the day he got here.

True, Feaster did say that, but he was a defeated man near the deadline last year after the Flames went on that terrible run where they lost some really important games and then he threatened changes.

I think he realized at that point that they couldn't "win now" and needed to make changes, but then got whipped back in line by King and Edwards, to start singing the old tune again.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

You really think the owners would give a rats ass if he had traded jackman or sarich or moss?

Who was he going to trade that didn't have a no move clause, would have made sense to trade at the time, and would have remotely counted as tearing the team apart?

Look at that list and then decide if the owners would have stepped in on any of those guys.

I don't think they told him not to trade those guys, but I think they told him not to change the plan, which is "win now", and so he thought that he needed to retain Jackman for the future and thus signed him to an extension instead of trading him for picks, which according to him was offered to him.

He also retained Sarich and TKO and all the other UFA's because if the goal is to make the playoffs, you don't trade them away for draft picks that don't help.

[indes]

Maybe he just couldn't make any deals? He doesn't seem "connected" or in the loop if you catch my drift. I like his draft picks but I do question his asset management ability, we have too many wingers and better end up with a second in this draft.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So why didn't he? 2.6M of those players are regular healthy scratches, the other left for nothing. I know the success rate of later round picks isn't great, but I'd rather have had a couple thirds and a fifth than what we ended up with.

Because he is a lousy GM? People talk about how Burke inherited a Stanley Cup team, but at least Burke signed some very key players to that roster. What's Feaster's claim to fame? Trading for Darryl Sydor? After that, when everyone said that he couldn't possibly re-sign their big three players and field a competitive team, he went and signed them all to massive contracts which handicapped the team and tried to fill the void that Khabibulin left with career backups. For years he allowed for massive holes on that roster to go un-addressed (sounding familiar?) and this was before ownership got involved like they did.

Personally, I think ownership's involvement is overblown on this board. I don't doubt that ownership approval for the big moves is required, but when it comes to trading upcoming UFA's that you have no intention of re-signing, let's be real here guys, that is all Feaster. There's no chance that Feaster needs ownership consent to trade a guy like Scott Hanna...

[nik-]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

That is true. No radio, TV or even a quote in the paper. For a guy that has shown no tendency to be shy, it sure seems weird that he doesn't even pop up to address the 0-3 road trip.

Probably because he's embarrassed about the team and the O'Reilly situation. Especially after the BS "we're not going to address it further" comment. If I was him, I wouldn't want to get in front of a microphone either.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don't think they told him not to trade those guys, but I think they told him not to change the plan, which is "win now", and so he thought that he needed to retain Jackman for the future and thus signed him to an extension instead of trading him for picks, which according to him was offered to him.

He also retained Sarich and TKO and all the other UFA's because if the goal is to make the playoffs, you don't trade them away for draft picks that don't help.

I guess I don't buy that signing jackman for league minimum vs trading him for a 6th rounder or something makes any difference to a rebuild or not, or for that matter to win now or not. Not to the extent the owners would weigh in and veto a move.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by 868904

Don't forget that last year at the deadline Feaster made those comments about changes coming and then did absolutely nothing except re-sign Jackman.

SOMEONE got to Feaster and stopped him from tearing the team apart, because his words and body language suggested that he made the same realization that the majority of hockey people in the world realized, that it was time to rebuild.

Feaster's been singing a consistent "win now" tune ever since. I'm guessing whoever administered that whipping on him laid it on pretty good.

He said afterwards that there were deals on the table and seemed frustrated with nothing happening. There are two sides to each trade. Maybe the returns being offered for key pieces were not acceptable to the franchise. You don't just trade for the sake of trading, you have to get something back that ultimately strengthens your team.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Because he is a lousy GM? People talk about how Burke inherited a Stanley Cup team, but at least Burke signed some very key players to that roster. What's Feaster's claim to fame? Trading for Darryl Sydor? After that, when everyone said that he couldn't possibly re-sign their big three players and field a competitive team, he went and signed them all to massive contracts which handicapped the team and tried to fill the void that Khabibulin left with career backups. For years he allowed for massive holes on that roster to go un-addressed (sounding familiar?) and this was before ownership got involved like they did.

Personally, I think ownership's involvement is overblown on this board. I don't doubt that ownership approval for the big moves is required, but when it comes to trading upcoming UFA's that you have no intention of re-signing, let's be real here guys, that is all Feaster. There's no chance that Feaster needs ownership consent to trade a guy like Scott Hanna...

Burke made the two most important moves to get Anaheim that cup. He got two of the best 3 defensemen of the last 20 years, and he turned Sergei Fedorov into Francois Beauchimen.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Looks like he's had it forcibly shut again.

We haven't heard peep from him or King since the O'Reilly fiasco.

Maybe we should stick his mug on some milk cartons.

Well he did get quoted saying nothing of consequence in the press release about O'Reilly going to waivers if Colorado hadn't matched. Academic.

[Phanuthier]

Its better to say nothing at all then say something stupid... I'm not upset nothing is being said.

[Caged Great]

Perhaps it has nothing to do with us, but the Flyers dumped a no namer on a contract on Columbus for future considerations, opening up another spot for them to add someone possibly. With rumours abound a their scouts at our recent games, perhaps there is more to it than not?