Teacher Charged with Sex Assault

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by _Q_

^^ wow! people like this exist?

What you not been reading Polak's posts?

[polak]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

What you not been reading Polak's posts?

You remind me of one of those hype guys that rappers have who just say random crap in the background while the real act does his thing.

[jammies]

What societal good will we achieve by changing the law as it is now? It may be a somewhat arbitrary choice of age, but there needs to be SOME kind of age of consent, and better to err a bit too high than too low. Further, there has to be some protection against sexual coercion, and again it's better to be too stringent than not stringent enough, because people are very very good at getting around limits.

Let's face it - teenage boys are stupid and don't know what they want. The argument that they want to have sex with their teachers means very little - they also want to drink to excess, drive too fast, sample illegal drugs, and bang every half-decent looking girl they see. Generally we want to discourage such behaviour, knowing that they will get around our rules to some extent, but not to the extent that they wish they could. Otherwise - CHAOS!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by polak

You remind me of one of those hype guys that rappers have who just say random crap in the background while the real act does his thing.

You have done nothing but offer your opinion, your belief on this topic.

When asked for a source on your statement that males are not affected by this type of thing you have nothing.

When presented with information by an individual that is more educated than you, you dismiss their points citing your "opinion".


My expression of what you remind me of will get me a binning.

Sadly, I only hope that one day you experience this type of situation.

[polak]

Im sorry, I didn't know that this was a formal academic research setting where opinion isn't welcome. I also must have missed all the peer reviewed sources others have posted in this thread.

I offered my opinion on the article in the OP. It was an opinion that sparked a discussion and I participated in that discussion. I fail to see where I offended you oh so dearly but at this point, I really couldn't care less.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by polak

Im sorry, I didn't know that this was a formal academic research setting where opinion isn't welcome. I also must have missed all the peer reviewed sources others have posted in this thread.

I offered my opinion on the article in the OP. It was an opinion that sparked a discussion and I participated in that discussion. I fail to see where I offended you oh so dearly but at this point, I really couldn't care less.

The issue that I have is that your opinion is right up there with "She was asking for it, she was wearing a short skirt" in my opinion. Not sure if was you, but when you mix in the men like sex, women do not aspect with a complete lack of understanding of the long term consequences of such sexual abuse and it just seems incredibly uninformed.

There are studies all over the place if you are interested in learning more about the subject
http://www.jimhopper.com/pdfs/Dube_%..._of_victim.pdf

[polak]

How you get from my simple disagreement with the idea that all consensual sex between teachers and 16+ students is equal to sexual abuse, too something as ridiculous as the "short skirt" argument is unfathomable to me, but okay.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

The issue that I have is that your opinion is right up there with "She was asking for it, she was wearing a short skirt" in my opinion...

Originally Posted by polak

How you get from my simple disagreement with the idea that all consensual sex between teachers and 16+ students is equal to sexual abuse, too something as ridiculous as the "short skirt" argument is unfathomable to me, but okay.

I think that maybe the equation comes from some of the utterly idiotic things you have spewed in this thread, such as:

Originally Posted by polak

...most of the time, a female teacher and male student getting it on is an awesome victimless fun party. Guys are wired differently when it comes to sex...

More to the point, EddyBeers was not making a direct accusation, but rather was drawing an analogy between your poorly formed opinion and other such ideas that are equally as medieval. That is, the idea that all teenage boys are more likely to enjoy "consensual" sexual relationships with their teachers. I have set consensual in scare-quotes because there is a critical point in this argument that you continue to miss. See if you can figure it out.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by polak

Im sorry, I didn't know that this was a formal academic research setting where opinion isn't welcome. I also must have missed all the peer reviewed sources others have posted in this thread.

In the first place, just because you have an opinion, that does not mean that it will be a good one. Nor does it follow that your opinion on any given topic contains the same weight or value as others simply because you have one. You have been asked to defend your opinion because other have recognised that it appears poorly formed, contrary to more conventional thinking, and in conflict with available scientific evidence. Simply put: if you are going to go against the grain, then don't be surprised when others require you to offer an explanation.

Furthermore, you seem to have ignored the fact that EddyBeers has in fact produced a good deal of scientific evidence to counter your opinion. And then instead of rethinking some of your own fairly ignorant posts on the subject, or taking the time to consider why others might take offense, you behave like a petulant child; whining about the injustice of having to defend your ideas in a public form with some form of evidence beyond your gut instinct.

[undercoverbrother]

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Ri...234/story.html

The good news is there are things that can be done to prevent it, according to Robert Shoop, a Kansas State University professor who has written about teacher sexual misconduct.
There are typically two types of offenders, he said. One is the pedophile who is in the teaching profession to prey on children.
There other type is a teacher who is immature and doesn’t know proper boundaries, Shoop said. They didn’t set out to do something bad, but cross a line from “being a mentor to being a molester.” Some don’t even believe they are doing anything wrong.
Parents should teach their kids to tell them about their teacher’s conduct, he said, such as a teacher e-mailing the student at home, or singling out a child with gifts. A ride home may be perfectly innocent, but a parent should know about it.
In most cases, the teacher grooms the student before abuse begins, Shoop said. One of the difficulties is the student can end up believing they are a willing participant and don’t turn the teacher in because they think they are in love.

[polak]

One, I defended my opinion throughout all 8 pages of this bloody thread.

Two, I wasn't alone in my opinion.

Three, there was no scientific sources. There was a psychiatrist who pointed out a possible result of such relationships, which I agreed could happen, however, I pointed out the lack of statistics that shows how often those types of relationships lead to such serious consequences.

Four, that comment that Tex picked out was obviously meant to be light hearted like many others I made before this discussion got serious.

Five, I conceded the idea that both male and females students should be evaluated on a case by case basis immediately when the idea was first brought up because I agree it is hard to say how it will effect individuals of both genders.

Six, I get that because it's a student-teacher relationship, it legally can't be consensual until the student is 18. I'm pretty sure I'm the one who pointed that out. My whole stance in this argument is that I don't agree with the notion that a 16 year old who can legally drive or decide to drop out of school, or better yet a 17 year old who can join the Canadian forces, isn't capable of agreeing to a (otherwise consensual) relationship despite the fact that it's with a teacher.

Seven, I never once said that I don't agree that such relationships are inappropriate. I repeated, multiple times, that teachers should automatically lose their jobs and an investigation into the relationship should take place. I mean, if a 17 year old was in a relationship with their 20 year old boss at their job, would it lead to legal consequences? I seriously doubt it.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

The most amusing part of this thread is that it's titled Teacher charged with Sex Assault but some people got turned off of it because 'it got dark' - what kind of thread about sexual assault starts off light and hearty? LOLZ

well when actual members here started to tell us how they were raped and molested its not exactly LOL posts

[RichKlit]

There are a couple people in this thread who are the epitome of why male and for that matter female abuse victims of all kinds are afraid to come forward. It only takes one ignorant comment from someone like many of the ones posted in here to stop someone from coming forward.

The ignorance displayed by some of the posters in here is stunning, for every hallway hero there is, there is also a scared mouse of a kid who wouldnt know what to do or how to deal with it afterwards.

On a personal note i find downright terrifying how cavalier some of the attitudes toward underage sex appears to be. I clicked on this thread and thought it would be overwhelmingly against this type of abuse, pretty surprised/disappointed to see some of the posts. Maybe im just old and way out of touch but abuse is abuse regardless of gender, period.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by polak

How you get from my simple disagreement with the idea that all consensual sex between teachers and 16+ students is equal to sexual abuse, too something as ridiculous as the "short skirt" argument is unfathomable to me, but okay.

What about gay men and their male students or lesbians? I mean you said the double standard is fine so I guess open season right?

[V]

Originally Posted by RichKlit

On a personal note i find downright terrifying how cavalier some of the attitudes toward underage sex appears to be. I clicked on this thread and thought it would be overwhelmingly against this type of abuse, pretty surprised/disappointed to see some of the posts. Maybe im just old and way out of touch but abuse is abuse regardless of gender, period.

I agree. That said, some of the comments in this thread have reminded me of some fantastic moments from Seinfeld and It's Always Sunny, so it wasn't a total loss.

"It moved!"

"I've never statuatorily raped someone before..."

[undercoverbrother]

Thought I might bump this as thread, maybe I should do a Silver Sex Assualt thread.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/03/11...ng-sex-charges

A 27-year-old teacher — at a Catholic school with a specialized program for teen girls — has been charged after reports that he was in a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old girl.

Taking advantage of innocence is disgusting.

[Bill Bumface]

Doesn't specify whether teacher was female.

Not sure if "Niiiiicccceeeeee!"

[blankall]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Doesn't specify whether teacher was female.

Not sure if "Niiiiicccceeeeee!"

He wasn't female.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...612/story.html

The Edmonton police child protection section arrested and charged the teacher from St. Basil Catholic School, at 10210 115th Ave., for “a number of sexual offences that allegedly occurred between him and a female student,” Insp. Dave Spiers said during a brief statement at police headquarters.

[CaptainCrunch]

I'd say its a dude

has been charged after reports that he was in a sexual relationship with a 15-year-old girl.

So gross on either side of the coin that some 27 year old needs to have sex with a 15 year old.

One step above the creepy restaurant manager asking young chicks where the cool parties are at.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'd say its a dude



So gross on either side of the coin that some 27 year old needs to have sex with a 15 year old.

One step above the creepy restaurant manager asking young chicks where the cool parties are at.

Plus it also states his name in the article, so it's 100% a guy.

Both this situation and the one posted back in December are disgusting, and it doesn't matter in my mind if it was a male teacher or female teacher, it's still sexual assault. The one thing that irks me though is that they do state the accused name in this article but kept the accused anonymous in the December article.