Honestly, that was the dumbest story ever. I went out with my gf for a year and a half and then got sick of her. So I dumped her. She probably experienced some trauma from it, so now she can call the cops and say that I raped her? That's such garbage.
Either Jerry was under the age of consent, which means that it's clear cut abuse.
OR
If Jerry had been over the age of consent (and he might have been depending on when that incident occurred) then Jerry should suck it up. He wasn't raped. It was consensual and the boarder had no semblence of actual power over him in any way.
So now every time someone has sex with someone else and regrets it later, we're calling it sexual abuse?
Look out Undercoverbrother, you might have some charges coming your way.
Jerry was under the age of consent in the story, but I am curious as to why there are no comments on the effects of sexual abuse as outlined by the shrink.....
Honestly, that was the dumbest story ever. I went out with my gf for a year and a half and then got sick of her. So I dumped her. She probably experienced some trauma from it, so now she can call the cops and say that I raped her? That's such garbage.
And the negative effects outlined by the shrink, is that all crap as well? What is your medical background that has given you this insight into the effects of sexual abuse on males and females?
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Honestly, that was the dumbest story ever. I went out with my gf for a year and a half and then got sick of her. So I dumped her. She probably experienced some trauma from it, so now she can call the cops and say that I raped her? That's such garbage.
You sure didn't get the example did you.
Emotional distance and showing a poor moral standard, also leaning towards narcissism. Hmmm...
Losing your job, constent bullying, becoming an outcast or being persecuted, those are real lasting traumas. Jerry story didn't say he experience any such things.
Jerry sounds to me like he's a little b****
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And the negative effects outlined by the shrink, is that all crap as well? What is your medical background that has given you this insight into the effects of sexual abuse on males and females?
Really? Show me the sources.
I noticed two things about your pamphlet.
A) The lack of the letters "dr." before anyones name
and
B) This...
Quote:
The opinions expressed in this document are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect
the views of the Public Health Agency of Canada.
Notice the word opinion?
Quote:
Opinion -
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
Again, having sex with 14 year olds is not OK, because as has been proven, it is now illegal (since 2008). I was not aware of that, so I retract my statement from earlier.
I don't need any medical training to realize that traumas happen to us every day. Regret is not a valid reason for calling sex rape. It says in the story that he felt good about himself while he was in the relationship with the girl and then started feeling worthless after she dumped him.
Again, nobody answered my question. How would this have been different if the girl had been closer to his age? Honestly, someone answer that for me please.
A) The lack of the letters "dr." before anyones name
and
B) This...
The opinions expressed in this document are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect
the views of the Public Health Agency of Canada.
Notice the word opinion?
Opinion -
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
Easy son, I don't think you can ask for sources until you produce the source for this statement:
Quote:
The vast majority of men won't have any negative consequences from the experience while women are far more likely to face persecution and other negative social stigmas.
All you have said in this thread is opinion.
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Captain James P. DeCOSTE, CD, 18 Sep 1993
Again, having sex with 14 year olds is not OK, because as has been proven, it is now illegal (since 2008). I was not aware of that, so I retract my statement from earlier.
Thank you for the clarification.
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Captain James P. DeCOSTE, CD, 18 Sep 1993
I am a licensed psychotherapist currently in private practice in Oakland, California. Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, MFC 32346
I bring a broad history of experience to my work, from my days in a fortune 500 company to being a business consultant and small business owner, I understand the dilemmas of the self employed as well as the conflicts inherent in working in a large organization.
I have published five books that can all be found on this site, three on management, one on relationship and the last for men with breasts. Recently, I have turned increasingly to writing for my website as a faster and easier means of reaching a wider audience. I frequently get emails from people telling me that the subjects that I write about are helpful to them.
I have a Masters in Counseling Psychology and a Bachelors in Management.
Now his Masters in Psychology may not be as good as yours, but he is a professional in the field.....
"When you look at these men who have been abused by females, and compare them to the men abused by males, in terms of psychological function, they were doing as badly as the men abused by males," says Dr Patrick O'Leary, a senior lecturer in social work at the University of South Australia.
O'Leary, who conducted Australia's biggest study of male victims of sex abuse, says that having been sexually abused by a woman was for men a higher risk factor towards becoming a sexual offender than being abused by another male.
So the psychological effects of having been abused by a woman are equally as traumatizing as having been abused by a man. And if you are abused by a woman you are more likely to become a sexual offender than if you were abused by a man. That does not sound good.
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Even so, there is evidence that attitudes need to change. Dr Caroline Taylor, a senior lecturer at Ballarat University and a researcher on sexual abuse, was last year asked to speak to a group of trainee teachers in Victoria following publicity about the prosecution of Karen Ellis. Taylor says the invitation to speak came because the trainee's lecturers were concerned about attitudes towards Ellis and her victim.
"They were throwing it back, saying he obviously enjoyed it. A couple said it's every young male's fantasy. They were imbuing these adolescents with far more power than they had," Taylor says. "They were viewing them as young men; I was saying, they are boys. I think some of (the trainee teachers) thought it was a bit of a joke. The thing that concerned me, it showed that the stereotypes about sexual assaults — of males and females — still exist."
God knows the comments on this page by some show the good Doctor is correct....
I am not going to quote the entire peer reviewed study, just some snippets
Quote:
Finally, there is an alarmingly high rate of sexual abuse by females in the
backgrounds of rapists, sex offenders and sexually aggressive men – 59%
(Petrovich and Templer, 1984), 66% (Groth, 1979) and 80% (Briere and
Smiljanich, 1993). A strong case for the need to identify female perpetrators can
be found in Table 4, which presents the findings from a study of adolescent sex
offenders by O’Brien (1989). Male adolescent sex offenders abused by “females
only” chose female victims almost exclusively.
It is a problematic report because it is based on the findings of medical professionals and not based on the stories in Hustler, but it provides some interesting facts and such if anyone wants to read it.
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Despite Mr. Yost's Masters degree, he talks only based on conjecture and provides no hard evidence on any of his topics. I only skimmed through it, but I didn't even see any testamonials? While his opinion holds more value on this topic than mine, it doesn't say anything about what %'s of guys experience this or any other quantifiable facts. He only refers to what could happen.
I never said that I disagree that some guys may experience such a negative effect. Hence why I agreed with the post earlier in which it was said that each situation needs to be reviewed by a counsler. Again, we're talking about CONSENSUAL sex. I'm sure even these DR.'s would agree that consensual sex with a teacher does not automatically lead to symptoms of abuse.
Let me ask you this again...
Do you think that a teacher having a consensual relationship with a student that is above the age of consent should automatically lead to the teacher having to serve hard time and having their life ruined forever?
The most amusing part of this thread is that it's titled Teacher charged with Sex Assault but some people got turned off of it because 'it got dark' - what kind of thread about sexual assault starts off light and hearty? LOLZ
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Despite Mr. Yost's Masters degree, he talks only based on conjecture and provides no hard evidence on any of his topics. I only skimmed through it, but I didn't even see any testamonials? While his opinion holds more value on this topic than mine, it doesn't say anything about what %'s of guys experience this or any other quantifiable facts. He only refers to what could happen.
I never said that I disagree that some guys may experience such a negative effect. Hence why I agreed with the post earlier in which it was said that each situation needs to be reviewed by a counsler. Again, we're talking about CONSENSUAL sex. I'm sure even these DR.'s would agree that consensual sex with a teacher does not automatically lead to symptoms of abuse.
Let me ask you this again...
Do you think that a teacher having a consensual relationship with a student that is above the age of consent should automatically lead to the teacher having to serve hard time and having their life ruined forever?
When you are dealing with minors and you are in a position of authority there is no such thing as a consensual relationship. That is why the age of consent for such a situation in Canada is 18, experts in the field (perhaps with even more knowledge than you or Q) have made that determination.
I know you are hung up on this hot teacher fantasy, but to answer your question yes that would be a sexual assault and they should have to serve time. There are specific rules when it comes to people in positions of authority because of the fact that that authority brings with it additional factors. You can have sex with a 17 year old girl if you are over 18 as long as it does not fall under section 153 of the Code I think (with a couple other sections being applicable as well). But the Criminal Code is clear and there is a reason for that, the laws are not just made up based on what some guy thinks one random day.
Now to ask you a question, if a 35 year hockey coach has a consensual sexual relationship with a 17 year old hockey player (hockey player is not gay, but it is consensual) should that be a criminal activity.
When you are dealing with minors and you are in a position of authority there is no such thing as a consensual relationship. That is why the age of consent for such a situation in Canada is 18, experts in the field (perhaps with even more knowledge than you or Q) have made that determination.
I know you are hung up on this hot teacher fantasy, but to answer your question yes that would be a sexual assault and they should have to serve time. There are specific rules when it comes to people in positions of authority because of the fact that that authority brings with it additional factors. You can have sex with a 17 year old girl if you are over 18 as long as it does not fall under section 153 of the Code I think (with a couple other sections being applicable as well). But the Criminal Code is clear and there is a reason for that, the laws are not just made up based on what some guy thinks one random day.
Now to ask you a question, if a 35 year hockey coach has a consensual sexual relationship with a 17 year old hockey player (hockey player is not gay, but it is consensual) should that be a criminal activity.
You see and thats where my original argument lies. I personally believe (as uneducated on the topic as I may be) that these cases should be treated differently. I don't agree with throwing the book at a teacher because she had a (what would otherwise be consensual) relationship with a student thats 16+ years old.
The other part of my argument was that I understand that the law is in place to protect these teens (who can drive, and are either able to, or are one year away from being able to serve in the military) but I believe based on pure discussion with others on this topic (which I'll concede, didn't include anyone who actually had such a relationship) that blanket laws covering these situations are unjust.
Outside of that, I guess we can agree to disagree.
As for the hockey player thing, no. I don't think it's rape unless he was unfairly coerced into it. I don't think that mistakes = abuse.
