How much longer do you think the Oilers will be this bad for?

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Sorry, but when did that happen? Every year the Oilers were close to the cap limit, almost every year they brought in veterans to compete and every offseason the stated goal of the management team was to make the playoffs. Never mind that virtually every season that most of the Oilers fans and much of the hockey media would fawn over how they're "building something special up there" without a hint of sarcasm. For the last 3 seasons most of the fandom and media have picked the Oilers to finish above the Flames in the standings. This year many picked the Oilers to make the playoffs.

Let's not kid ourselves, the Oilers picked first overall NOT because it was some sort of magical rebuilding plan but simply because they were a failure on and off the ice.

Give me a break. Get your facts straight.

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

not to mention, they aren't the youngest team in the league (but what do facts matter?)

The facts came from Sportsnet. Go and ask Gene...

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Wait, doesn't "growing pains" imply that there's some sort of growth? Far as I can tell, this year's greasers are just as crap as the year before that, and the year before that, and the year before that. The oilers are experiencing growing pains the same way that the blue jackets, panthers and islanders are, I guess.

Did Isay Growing pains...I meant groin pains. The season is not over yet til the xl lady sings...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by VERVE

The facts came from Sportsnet. Go and ask Gene...

no need to ask Gene when the facts are readily available...

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

no need to ask Gene when the facts are readily available...

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

Citing Sportsnet is bad enough. Then citing Gene Prinipe above that is even worse.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Most Flames fans seemed to accept Feaster e and are doing fantastic to assembled a team of 2nd and third liners who are way-over agers and making the playoffs (and contend). The team is continually having one of the highest numbers of NTC and NMC signed.

So, you don't pay attention much do you?
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=125337
443 wanted him fired
291 wanted to keep him

[kehatch]

The Flames versus Oilers in the standings since 05/06 (last time Oiler's made playoffs)

06-07: 8v12 (1-round exit for Flames)
07-08: 8v9 (1-round exit for Flames)
08-09: 5v11 (1-round exit for Flames)
09-10: 10v15
10-11: 10v15
11-12: 9v14
12-13: 15v14 (right now)

I hate the Oilers. But really we are a few 1st round exits and a couple of spots in the standings better then them for the last 7-years and at least they have assets to show for their troubles.

A better question to this might be how much longer the Flames might be this bad for. Because I don't give a flying squirrel about the Oiler's.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

So, you don't pay attention much do you?
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=125337
443 wanted him fired
291 wanted to keep him

nope Vevre rights great fiction to support his hockey arguments. Just like he believes that the Oilers are building something special up there with all his heart.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Give me a break. Get your facts straight.

So, what did the Oilers do exactly to tear it down and rebuild? What was their brilliant strategy?

In the last few seasons the Oilers have signed or re-signed the following players: Khabibulin, Horcoff, Hemsky, Smyth, Eager, Whitney. That's not even mentioning the older players they went after but didn't end up signing.

In terms of purging higher priced players they:

-traded Dustin Penner for youth and picks
-traded Patrick O'Sullivan for Jim (Frickin) Vandermeer
-traded Tom Gilbert for Nick Shultz who was one year older
-signed Andy Sutton (37 years old)
-traded Cogliano for a 2nd
-signed Ben Eager, Eric Belanger, Cam Barker, Darcy Hordichuk, Martin Gerber, Jason Strudwick, Kurtis Foster
-traded Staios for a pick

So besides Penner, Cogliano and Staios where have the Oilers moved young players for the future? Where has been there concerted effort to tear it down and rebuild? Instead, the vast majority of their transactions of the last 3 seasons has been to try to bring in older players.

This is part of the myth that is building up around the Oilers: that they have taken the long view at the club and decided to rebuild. It's just not true. What has happened is that they've tried to compete every year but failed miserably. Then they pick first overall and try to convince everyone it was actually their plan all along to have the worst 3 seasons for one team in NHL history.

You'd think that after Lowe's sales job on Gagner, Cogliano, Hemsky, Nilson, O'Sullivan, etc. that some Oiler fans would smarten up and understand that the management of the team is awful. Fool me once shame on you, etc.

They're putting something special in the Kool-Aid up there.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

So, what did the Oilers do exactly to tear it down and rebuild? What was their brilliant strategy?

In the last few seasons the Oilers have signed or re-signed the following players: Khabibulin, Horcoff, Hemsky, Smyth, Eager, Whitney. That's not even mentioning the older players they went after but didn't end up signing.

In terms of purging higher priced players they:

-traded Dustin Penner for youth and picks
-traded Patrick O'Sullivan for Jim (Frickin) Vandermeer
-traded Tom Gilbert for Nick Shultz who was one year older
-signed Andy Sutton (37 years old)
-traded Cogliano for a 2nd
-signed Ben Eager, Eric Belanger, Cam Barker, Darcy Hordichuk, Martin Gerber, Jason Strudwick, Kurtis Foster
-traded Staios for a pick

So besides Penner, Cogliano and Staios where have the Oilers moved young players for the future? Where has been there concerted effort to tear it down and rebuild? Instead, the vast majority of their transactions of the last 3 seasons has been to try to bring in older players.

This is part of the myth that is building up around the Oilers: that they have taken the long view at the club and decided to rebuild. It's just not true. What has happened is that they've tried to compete every year but failed miserably. Then they pick first overall and try to convince everyone it was actually their plan all along to have the worst 3 seasons for one team in NHL history.

You'd think that after Lowe's sales job on Gagner, Cogliano, Hemsky, Nilson, O'Sullivan, etc. that some Oiler fans would smarten up and understand that the management of the team is awful. Fool me once shame on you, etc.

They're putting something special in the Kool-Aid up there.

Yup. Like I have said over and over again. Rebuilding isn't the path to being the Edmonton Oiler's. Doing what we are doing is. We are just 3-seasons behind (and right on track for our first top 5 pick).

[Flamenfame]

Why are we pre occupied with Oilers when we are fn last in conference with some posters defending our team right now. Yea time we remove the boards from our eyes.

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

So, you don't pay attention much do you?
http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=125337
443 wanted him fired
291 wanted to keep him

Do you? Your cited thread above was about a Feaster poll for the O'Reilly debacle. I was referring to transactions or lack thereof since a year after taking over (2011) from the other guy (Sutter) that originally screwed up the org.

[stang]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Yup. Like I have said over and over again. Rebuilding isn't the path to being the Edmonton Oiler's. Doing what we are doing is. We are just 3-seasons behind (and right on track for our first top 5 pick).

I've been saying this for a while now.

And rebuilding doesn't mean you call up everyone from the farm. You still need to fill out the roster.

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

no need to ask Gene when the facts are readily available...

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

Damn it Gene! To be fair, some websites have different parameters for players used as part of count and a couple of websites have Columbus or Avs as the youngest (with a difference as low as a tenth of a decimal place or so ahead of the Oilers).

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

So, what did the Oilers do exactly to tear it down and rebuild? What was their brilliant strategy?

In the last few seasons the Oilers have signed or re-signed the following players: Khabibulin, Horcoff, Hemsky, Smyth, Eager, Whitney. That's not even mentioning the older players they went after but didn't end up signing.

In terms of purging higher priced players they:

-traded Dustin Penner for youth and picks
-traded Patrick O'Sullivan for Jim (Frickin) Vandermeer
-traded Tom Gilbert for Nick Shultz who was one year older
-signed Andy Sutton (37 years old)
-traded Cogliano for a 2nd
-signed Ben Eager, Eric Belanger, Cam Barker, Darcy Hordichuk, Martin Gerber, Jason Strudwick, Kurtis Foster
-traded Staios for a pick

So besides Penner, Cogliano and Staios where have the Oilers moved young players for the future? Where has been there concerted effort to tear it down and rebuild? Instead, the vast majority of their transactions of the last 3 seasons has been to try to bring in older players.

This is part of the myth that is building up around the Oilers: that they have taken the long view at the club and decided to rebuild. It's just not true. What has happened is that they've tried to compete every year but failed miserably. Then they pick first overall and try to convince everyone it was actually their plan all along to have the worst 3 seasons for one team in NHL history.

You'd think that after Lowe's sales job on Gagner, Cogliano, Hemsky, Nilson, O'Sullivan, etc. that some Oiler fans would smarten up and understand that the management of the team is awful. Fool me once shame on you, etc.

They're putting something special in the Kool-Aid up there.

Here is your kool-aid. I have posted this before.

The changes in management and support staff started in 2007. The scorched earth rebuild started in March 2010. Ultimately, it was a change culture the Oilers followed through with.

2007-MacGregor replaced Prendergast
2008, June-Katz bought team
2008, July-Tambellini new GM, Lowe to president
2008-2009 Oilers missed playoffs
2009-April-MacTavish fired
2009-July-Heatley refused to come to Oilers

When Heatley refused to come to Edmonton, it was the final straw that change was imminent. The Oilers were going to build through the drafts. To start things off, the Oilers have to rethink where they want to be in 5-6 years time. UFAs will not come easily to a losing team up in frozen Edmonton. The management’s past transactions had been known to have a bad reputation as viewed by the other players and agents in the league. Essentially, the Oilers are stuck in no-man’s land. A wait and see attitude of how the team will do in 2009-2010 and their team record will finally dictate a clearer position of what road
management will take.

2009-new coach Quinn, Renney as his assistant
Oilers poor record exacerbates the need for rebuliding. Philosophy change quickens in December when Oilers destiny was a last place finish- The rebuilding begins:

2010-March START OF REBUILD -moved Grebeshkov, Staios, not sign ufa Pisani,
2009-2010 – Oilers finished last in the league.
2009-2010-530 man games lost to injuries. Major injuries occurred to Khabibulin and Hemsky.
2010- April-Oilers fired assistant GM Prendergast, trainers, equipment staff.
2010-June-Oilers finished last and drafted HALL-first overall.
2010 - June-Ethan Moreau was put on waivers and claimed by Columbus.
2010-offseason- Patrick O’Sullivan traded. Robert Nilsson was bought out of his contract. Several others were allowed to enter free agency including Mike Comrie, Marc-Antoine Pouliot and Ryan Potulny. Souray’s contract was bought out.
2011 –Feb traded Penner to Kings for their 1st pick and Teubert and 3rd round (depending).
2010-2011 Oilers finished last in the league (again).
2010-2011-lost 281 man games lost due to injuries. Key injuries: Out for the season-Ryan Whitney (top pairing D); Major injuries to (4 of top 6 players) in Hemsky, Gagner, Hall, Horcoff; others-Brule, Eberle, Khabbibulin etc. They were replaced by minor leaguers in AHL. ....

[Poe969]

Was this thread started to make Flames fans feel better about themselves and their team? Today the Flames are last place in the west.

As much as I hate to say it, at least the oilers know to expect from their team. The Flames are full of "stars" and "tallent" that in most Flames fans minds should be competing for home ice.

Sure, they oilers suck but as of right now they're better than the Flames and we have top stars like Iggy, Kipper, JayBow, Cammy, Tangs and so on.

We shouldn't be throwing stones any time soon

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Poe969

As much as I hate to say it, at least the oilers know to expect from their team. The Flames are full of "stars" and "tallent" that in most Flames fans minds should be competing for home ice.

The Oilers expected to be a playoff team this year just as much as the Flames did.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Was this thread started to make Flames fans feel better about themselves and their team? Today the Flames are last place in the west.

As much as I hate to say it, at least the oilers know to expect from their team. The Flames are full of "stars" and "tallent" that in most Flames fans minds should be competing for home ice.

Sure, they oilers suck but as of right now they're better than the Flames and we have top stars like Iggy, Kipper, JayBow, Cammy, Tangs and so on.

We shouldn't be throwing stones any time soon

This thread title is so annoying to see on the board.

The Flames are a gong show and heading into a black hole for years to come, and we're pondering the Oilers future?

Just plain weird stuff. Bunch of fans still in denial I gather?

[stang]

Originally Posted by neo45

The Oilers expected to be a playoff team this year just as much as the Flames did.

My expectations were around the 10th place. Not playoffs, but an improvement. So far I haven't seen an improvement.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by Poe969

As much as I hate to say it, at least the oilers know to expect from their team. The Flames are full of "stars" and "tallent" that in most Flames fans minds should be competing for home ice.

I was under the impression Oilers were a contender this year, no?