Should Feaster get fired over the O'Reilly offersheet fiasco - Page 48 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Pointman · 03-01-2013, 04:16 PM

FWIW, here is O'Riley's interview (in Russian) dated 17th Feb. He said

http://izvestia.ru/news/545091

"I already have offers from other NHL clubs and if we won't agree on contract with Avs, I will sign with another NHL club" (offers doesn't necesserily mean officiall contract sheets in this context though)

"Can not sign with another NHL club because Avs have my rights".

"My KHL contract was only for the time of lock-out, it was worded as that I can come back to NHL as soon, as NHL club will offer a contract".

No mention of waivers or anything, but more interestingly, he had what he thought was a lock-out only contract, but he actually played two games after the season started. So he would have counted as "mid-season signing" and it seems like he and his agent would never realize it.

Enoch Root · 03-01-2013, 04:17 PM

Haven't had time to read the whole thread so apologies if repetitive...

But you HAVE to fire Feaster for this - it is simply too big of a mistake to move on from. Confidence is shot. Yes, they 'got away with it' but some mistakes are too large to just wait for them to fade into the night.

Ken King has to go for this as well, IMO. Feaster was his guy - and Feaster wasn't his first guy. This situation has irrevocably damaged the Flames' reputation - and that is KK's problem.

sven · 03-01-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Same kind of BS as the GM that comes out and says "Gee if I would have known player X was available I would have offered a lot more then what Team Y did"

Pretty unprofessional of the Canucks organization to even comment on this and pile on another GM.

I'm not here to defend Feaster, but a pretty clown shoes comment by the Canucks.

If he would have said it yesterday before this all came out it would be a different case.

Agreed, this is pretty poor of another management team throwing Feaster under the bus. I hope the management fraternity boycotts the Canucks. Have fun juggling Schneider and Luongo for the rest of your lives Gilman.

The only way this would have been acceptable is if Sportsnet was running a piece on this and was hounding other managements for interviews and directly asked the question, did you know about this rule? Management would HAVE to say yes or they too would look incompetent

kyuss275 · 03-01-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

After reading Elliot Freidmans tweet about it, I am on Feasters side on this one, the memorandums wording will be changed, but Feaster found a loophole and tried to take advantage of it. I liked the move and I truly think he would have won if it came down to it.

He pointed out their mistake

How would he have won? If it had to go to court it would have taken months. Bythen the flames would have given the Av's a top 7 pick.

afc wimbledon · 03-01-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

agent kinda getting a pass here, he advised his client to sign the deal

I don't see why his agent wouldn't, why the hell does the kid or his agent care where the hell he ends up if its a choice between Calgary, Columbus or being resigned by Colarado, either way he ends up getting 2.5 mill up front and 5 mill a year after from any of them, none of them are challenging for a cup or even playoffs.

polak · 03-01-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

After reading Elliot Freidmans tweet about it, I am on Feasters side on this one, the memorandums wording will be changed, but Feaster found a loophole and tried to take advantage of it. I liked the move and I truly think he would have won if it came down to it.

He pointed out their mistake

Okay. Now what if he didn't win?

You're fine that he gambled even more of this teams already HORRIBLE future for sh** and giggles?

Enoch Root · 03-01-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

agent kinda getting a pass here, he advised his client to sign the deal

of course the agent gets a pass - this is not his problem.

The agent is an 'agent' - he represents his clients.

Risk management is the responsibility of the Flames organization, not the agent they are dealing with.

This is 100% the Flames' responsibility.

(and the fact that the Avs - and possibly other teams - didn't seem to know either is NOT an excuse)

FlamesAddiction · 03-01-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

agent kinda getting a pass here, he advised his client to sign the deal

I wouldn't be surprised if he knew. It's not like announcing it to the world would help he or his client get paid this year. It would have taken all leverage away from him and gave it to the Avs.

Of course he would deny it though.

HELPNEEDED · 03-01-2013, 04:21 PM

Feaster loves to throw hail maries: Cervenka, ROR and Ramo.

dino7c · 03-01-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I don't see why his agent wouldn't, why the hell does the kid or his agent care where the hell he ends up if its a choice between Calgary, Columbus or being resigned by Colarado, either way he ends up getting 2.5 mill up front and 5 mill a year after from any of them, none of them are challenging for a cup or even playoffs.

lol the agents job is to represent the player...he should at least inform the client of all possibilities, money isn't the only thing

dino7c · 03-01-2013, 04:22 PM

his agent had no clue, neither did the player

Sutter_in_law · 03-01-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

How would he have won? If it had to go to court it would have taken months. Bythen the flames would have given the Av's a top 7 pick.

maybe not, maybe the league would realize that they ####ed up the wording.

i dont think it would go to the courts anyways, they wouldnt sit a player out and hold the draft off. they would sort it out swiftly.

their wording states "A team" not "THE team that tenders the offer sheet" Feaster found a loophole, it happens - egg is on face of the NHL and not Feaster IMO

btw, I have never been a fan of feasters whatsoever, but I love this move and what he tried to do.

Ashasx · 03-01-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

Feaster loves to throw hail maries: Cervenka, ROR and Ramo.

One of these things is not like the others.

HELPNEEDED · 03-01-2013, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

One of these things is not like the others.

They are all boom or busts.

Brick · 03-01-2013, 04:26 PM

Personally, I don't think that Feaster should be fired for the handling of O'Reilly.

I really like the fact that he went after him as he is just the type of player that the Flames need now and in the future.

At least I know that Feaster is attempting to improve the team in a smart way. (by going after the right type of player, ie. 2-way centre, 22 y.o., etc.) As for the waiver rules, etc., the NHL should have clarified things with all parties before the signing or when it was being filed with the league. Obviously, Feaster and O'Reilly's agent felt that he would not have to clear waivers. If that was not true, they should have been told that there and then.

I just hope that Jay Feaster is able to find another good 2-way centre either through the draft or maybe via a trade with a different team. Ryan O'Reilly can't be the only fish in the sea. There has to be other options and I feel better that they have finally identified the type of player that they need.

Sutter_in_law · 03-01-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by polak

Okay. Now what if he didn't win?

You're fine that he gambled even more of this teams already HORRIBLE future for sh** and giggles?

he's an Ivy League schooled lawyer, I dont think this is a 70/30 risk he took, i think he was 99% sure that he found a loophole that couldnt legitimately be argued against

SuperMatt18 · 03-01-2013, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

And O'Reilly's rep has otherwise stated that they didn't discuss the issue at all.

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Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

maybe not, maybe the league would realize that they ####ed up the wording.

i dont think it would go to the courts anyways, they wouldnt sit a player out and hold the draft off. they would sort it out swiftly.

their wording states "A team" not "THE team that tenders the offer sheet" Feaster found a loophole, it happens - egg is on face of the NHL and not Feaster IMO

btw, I have never been a fan of feasters whatsoever, but I love this move and what he tried to do.

The whole thing would have likely been voided and ROR rights would have reverted back to COL.

They would have clarified the situation in the CBA and at that time Flames could consider re-extending the offer sheet.

polak · 03-01-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brick

Personally, I don't think that Feaster should be fired for the handling of O'Reilly.

I really like the fact that he went after him as he is just the type of player that the Flames need now and in the future.

At least I know that Feaster is attempting to improve the team in a smart way. (by going after the right type of player, ie. 2-way centre, 22 y.o., etc.) As for the waiver rules, etc., the NHL should have clarified things with all parties before the signing or when it was being filed with the league. Obviously, Feaster and O'Reilly's agent felt that he would not have to clear waivers. If that was not true, they should have been told that there and then.

I just hope that Jay Feaster is able to find another good 2-way centre either through the draft or maybe via a trade with a different team. Ryan O'Reilly can't be the only fish in the sea. There has to be other options and I feel better that they have finally identified the type of player that they need.

So Feaster just gets a pass for not checking himself but the NHL doesn't?

Interesting.

malcolmk14 · 03-01-2013, 04:28 PM

I kinda wish that Colorado hadn't matched, and in 7 days took the compensation and had O'Reilly hit waivers... That would be an epic ####storm of monumental proportions, and Feaster would have for sure been canned.

opendoor · 03-01-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

maybe not, maybe the league would realize that they ####ed up the wording.

i dont think it would go to the courts anyways, they wouldnt sit a player out and hold the draft off. they would sort it out swiftly.

their wording states "A team" not "THE team that tenders the offer sheet" Feaster found a loophole, it happens - egg is on face of the NHL and not Feaster IMO

btw, I have never been a fan of feasters whatsoever, but I love this move and what he tried to do.

And if he lost and the Flames lost their 1st and 3rd for nothing?