[News] Flames offersheet O'Reilly UPDATE: Avs match

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Dion

Dan Tencer, 630CHED: …And, if you’re a Flames fan, it’s worth recognizing Feaster’s absolutely brutal draft history. Picks simply worth less with him in charge.

What a dumb comment. There's been a whopping season a half for us to evaluate Feaster's first draft as our GM. However, so far one pick has already cracked the roster. Another has turned a lot of heads as perhaps a big a late draft sleeper. Another has played for Team Canada at the WJ's.

Safe to say it's still too early to tell how any of his picks will turn out in the end but I like what I've seen so far.

EDIT: Obviously not factoring in Feaster's history with TB but I really don't find that relevant anymore. Lots of time has passed and there is a different and knowledgable supporting cast here in Calgary that Feaster seems more than willing to look to when it comes to making draft picks.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ernie

I would counter with:

If he didn't want to return to Colorado he doesn't sign an offer sheet opening up that possibility.

Once signed he can't hold out. If he does he doesn't get paid and is out of the NHL until his contract expires and his rights STILL belong to the Avs.

If he lives up to the contract then they can sign him for similar money without much issue or even trade him when his value is high. He won't have a NTC. If not they can try to negotiate a lower rate and indeed move him.

At this point, signing an offer sheet is the only card he has to play - hardly a shining endorsement that he hopes that they match.

To the second point, you mis-understood what I said. I was referring to 2 years from now. With their relationship where it is at this point, I would think there is a very good chance that he forces them to a QO at $6.8M (or whatever) or holds out to go UFA. They have to believe that is a huge risk. (I was not referring to him holding out now).

Finally, as for trading him - they won't have a chnce. They can't trade him for a calendar year, which will go past next year's trade deadline. Therefore no trade opportunity for the Avs - brilliant move by Feaster and the Avs would have no choice but to face the QO and the possibility of him holding out again

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I was thinking more recently. The Kesler, Vanek, Weber, and probably Hjalmarsson deals were all bad contracts but were matched because the team felt the player was worth more than the assets they'd return.

Kesler's offer sheet was one year, 1.9 million. Hjalmarsson was 3.5 for a top 4 D with a cup.

Vanek and Weber were stupid contracts because both teams that issued them had to do something unreasonable enough to entice Nashville and buffalo to match.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

What a dumb comment. There's been a whopping season a half for us to evaluate Feaster's first draft as our GM. However, so far one pick has already cracked the roster. Another has turned a lot of heads as perhaps a big a late draft sleeper. Another has played for Team Canada at the WJ's.

Safe to say it's still too early to tell how any of his picks will turn out in the end but I like what I've seen so far.

It's Dan Tencer; don't be offended by anything he says.

[moon]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The only reason they would keep him is to show other players that they will not be bullied.

It really sounds like O'Reilly camp and Av's camp do not like each other and i doubt it can be repaired. Do they want that nto spill over into the dressing room?

Also if they give in, Duchene and Landeskog have a huge leg up on the av's in their next negotiation.

It has sounded like camps really didn't like each other in the past and they seemed to get over it.

Subban and Montreal seemed far away from each other as late as the day before the contract was signed.

It is funny how easily these things are repaired once the deal is finished and both sides are back to just worrying about hockey.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by CedarMeter

Interesting...They'll make them sweat it out for 7 days anyway..I'm still leaning on they keep him.

ya, delay it because if they don't match they clearly have issues with him and vice versa

also potentially weaken the Flames for a few more games, which in theory raises their pick

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Deciding to match or not is still a risk/reward proposition and a bad contract is only one part of the equation. A team could easily feel it's in their best interests to match a bad contract because of the other aspects of the situation and that's what we've seen happen in the past.

Either way, Feaster is starting to play the chess game with divisional opponents. It's a net benefit to the Flames no matter what O'Reilly decides imo.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

What a dumb comment. There's been a whopping season a half for us to evaluate Feaster's first draft as our GM. However, so far one pick has already cracked the roster. Another has turned a lot of heads as perhaps a big a late draft sleeper. Another has played for Team Canada at the WJ's.

Safe to say it's still too early to tell how any of his picks will turn out in the end but I like what I've seen so far.

Feaster's last two drafts have been the best drafts this team has had in a decade. And he drafted Stamkos. FU tencer.

[Stay Golden]

If the Flames snag O'Reilly
100's of #37 Jerseys will be sold at Detriot game

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The only reason they would keep him is to show other players that they will not be bullied.

It really sounds like O'Reilly camp and Av's camp do not like each other and i doubt it can be repaired. Do they want that nto spill over into the dressing room?

Also if they give in, Duchene and Landeskog have a huge leg up on the av's in their next negotiation.

Maybe for Landeskog but duchene seems like the type of guy to take a discount to stay.

[FusionX]

I know +/- is a kind of a weird stat that some people really tend to look at while others brush over, but did anyone else find themselves looking at that column in those charts that showed players at age 20?

Now I'm not saying RoR isn't great defensively (from all accounts, he's decent?) but I for one would feel more comfortable if his +/- that year had been better. Anyone else look at that column with any sort of significance?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

At this point, signing an offer sheet is the only card he has to play - hardly a shining endorsement that he hopes that they match.

To the second point, you mis-understood what I said. I was referring to 2 years from now. With their relationship where it is at this point, I would think there is a very good chance that he forces them to a QO at $6.8M (or whatever) or holds out to go UFA. They have to believe that is a huge risk. (I was not referring to him holding out now).

If he is so petty to hold a grudge against a team that just paid him 10 million dollars and gave him a shot to play in the NHL at 18 years old I am not sure that is the kind of guy we want on the team or the kind of guy to give the Flames a break if he is in the same situation at the end of his deal.

I think people are making this way more personal with the Avs than it is and his decision at the end of this deal is likely to be exactly the same whether he is with Calgary or Colorado.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If the Flames snag O'Reilly
100's of #37 Jerseys will be sold at Detriot game

In a row?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

It has sounded like camps really didn't like each other in the past and they seemed to get over it.

Subban and Montreal seemed far away from each other as late as the day before the contract was signed.

It is funny how easily these things are repaired once the deal is finished and both sides are back to just worrying about hockey.

Subban and Montreal were only far apart in money and term. They were talking to each other cordially through the process.

Not saying they can't make up but its not hard to say the odds are against them.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Why do you care that he gets $6.5 million? The only # you should be concerned about as a fan is the cap hit. The cap hit is $5 million.

Qualifying offers work off of the players last contract year, not the cap hit.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I think it's noteworthy to mention that the Avs have Michael Sgarbossa in Lake Erie tearing it up. Top of the list in most AHL rookie categories. He could arguably step right into the Avs' lineup as the third line centre.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

If the Flames snag O'Reilly
100's of #37 Jerseys will be sold at Detriot game

Break out the Drury and McAmmond sweaters. Coincidentally, both played for the Avs and Flames.

[Vinny01]

He is going to be a Flame. The Avs can't trade him before the deadline next year and have to qualify him at $6.5M and with the bad taste of this current negotiation he will walk as a UFA next summer. Also with Ladeskog and Duchene due new contracts the Avs have to be concerned about that.

I am not sure the Flames have to pay him $6.5M next summer (2014) they can work out a long term deal well before that.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Break out the Drury and McAmmond sweaters. Coincidentally, both played for the Avs and Flames.

Regehr and Dingman (2 cups)

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Maybe for Landeskog but duchene seems like the type of guy to take a discount to stay.

That's true, i forgot that he grew up a huge Av's fan.