02-27-2013, 11:38 PM
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#301
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by EddyBeers
It is more like Iginla and a top 8 pick for Bergeron, that is a good trade for Boston.
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Not if they're trying to win the Cup in the next two years - which they are. Bergeron is a better all-around player right now than Iginla. He can play top-two centre, and/or check top opposing lines. And he's 27.
The day after Boston made that trade they would be a worse team.
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02-28-2013, 12:17 AM
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#302
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Walter Reed
I can't see Feaster making any significant changes for this year until the trade deadline. Clearly the club can be viewed as one in transition this season. This is a "hold your nose and swallow" year for the club. He is building for the future.
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My hunch is that Feaster didn't and won't see this year as one in transition. It all depends on whether Iginla gets re-signed, but Feaster hired Hartley and spent money on Wideman and Hudler. I bet Feaster thinks that "building for the future" just means not mortgaging the future for rental players. If Feaster has a chance to trade a first round pick for a 27 or 28 year old who can help now and have a few years on his contract, you can bet he'll consider doing it, especially if he re-signs Iginla.
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02-28-2013, 12:35 AM
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#303
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
And they exited the 2012 draft with precisely the number of picks they had by default, with one selection in each of the draft's seven rounds. So your conclusion is not provable at this point in time.
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
If Jankowski was the player we were targetting all along, then we actually got a free second rounder, which is an increase in value.
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I hate this argument and I disagree with it. It's no different than arguing Sutter didn't waste a 2nd round pick by trading away a 2nd round pick for garbage and "recouping" the pick by trading down in the draft. Every year, Sutter supposedly traded down to pick the guy he wanted all along too.
Moves should generally be viewed on a move by move basis with an awareness of the overall picture. Trading away 2nd round picks with the idea that you can always trade down in the 1st round to pick up an extra 2nd is not "balanced spending" (as opposed to deficit spending).
Let's not forget that Feaster is a guy with a history of trading draft picks himself. Don't think for a second Feaster is all that reluctant to trade away draft picks. Apparently, Weisbrod and Feaster considered trading last year's 1st until Weisbrod got a chance to see Jankowski play. Had Weisbrod not seen Jankowski play, the Flames might have traded away last year's 1st, along with last year's 2nd.
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02-28-2013, 03:20 AM
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#304
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by 868904
I think Connolly makes a lot of sense. If you can get him for a Nemicsz type prospect. If he busts, well he helps drag this team further down the standings and a better pick and a rebuild. If he booms, you got yourself a no. 1 centre (at least scoring wise) and probably help Iggy have some more fun.
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Only problem with shipping out a prospect for a roster player is we're overloaded with forwards. We have WAY too much depth on LW & I think Cammy is the only LW we could move. He just doesn't seem to slot in nicely anywhere in the lineup. Cammalleri for Connolly & a 2nd round pick would make the basis for a decent trade. His contract is bad, but he still contributes & is the kind of 'name' player that Toronto likes to acquire. He's enough of a player that T.O. might give up promising defender Jake Gardiner, who has recovered from concussion issues and is putting up solid numbers in the A.
It's been a few years since our latest disastrous blockbuster with Toronto, so why not have another go:
To Toronto: Mike Cammalleri, Blake Comeau, Chris Butler
To Calgary: Tim Connolly, Jake Gardiner & a 2nd round pick
It balances the forward roster, recoups us a 2nd rounder & nets us a solid prospect D-man who has put in 1 really solid NHL season.
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02-28-2013, 04:40 AM
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#305
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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Nsh fans also talking about adding Cammy since they desperately need some scoring but I don't think they have anything we need honestly.
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02-28-2013, 05:14 AM
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#306
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Psytic
Nsh fans also talking about adding Cammy since they desperately need some scoring but I don't think they have anything we need honestly.
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Colin Wilson would look great in a Flames uniform. Good young centre on $2mill a year for the next few years. Paul Gaustad is a huge centre & one of the best faceoff guys in the league. I would take either of those guys for Cammy.
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02-28-2013, 05:18 AM
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#307
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Colin Wilson would look great in a Flames uniform. Good young centre on $2mill a year for the next few years. Paul Gaustad is a huge centre & one of the best faceoff guys in the league. I would take either of those guys for Cammy.
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I don't think we would be getting either of them or Craig Smith or Fisher (Underwood). If we wanted a center they would be sending Legwand which isn't optimal since hes getting a bit old or a defense prospect like Blum.
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02-28-2013, 05:23 AM
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#308
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Colin Wilson would look great in a Flames uniform. Good young centre on $2mill a year for the next few years. Paul Gaustad is a huge centre & one of the best faceoff guys in the league. I would take either of those guys for Cammy.
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Gaustad for 3.25 million for the next year years is a scary proposition IMO. I know we need what he brings but yikes.
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02-28-2013, 07:04 AM
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#309
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Only problem with shipping out a prospect for a roster player is we're overloaded with forwards. We have WAY too much depth on LW & I think Cammy is the only LW we could move. He just doesn't seem to slot in nicely anywhere in the lineup. Cammalleri for Connolly & a 2nd round pick would make the basis for a decent trade. His contract is bad, but he still contributes & is the kind of 'name' player that Toronto likes to acquire. He's enough of a player that T.O. might give up promising defender Jake Gardiner, who has recovered from concussion issues and is putting up solid numbers in the A.
It's been a few years since our latest disastrous blockbuster with Toronto, so why not have another go:
To Toronto: Mike Cammalleri, Blake Comeau, Chris Butler
To Calgary: Tim Connolly, Jake Gardiner & a 2nd round pick
It balances the forward roster, recoups us a 2nd rounder & nets us a solid prospect D-man who has put in 1 really solid NHL season.
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Nashville's current group of prospects is surprisingly bad. I don't think they are a good partner at all unless their 1st rounder is in play.
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02-28-2013, 07:27 AM
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#310
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Lethbridge
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameZilla
To Toronto: Mike Cammalleri, Blake Comeau, Chris Butler
To Calgary: Tim Connolly, Jake Gardiner & a 2nd round pick
It balances the forward roster, recoups us a 2nd rounder & nets us a solid prospect D-man who has put in 1 really solid NHL season.
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Can't imagine that TO would give up Gardiner at all let alone for an overpaid Cammy and two useless plugs.
Getting a 2nd for Cammy with his deal might be the best we can hope for at this point.
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02-28-2013, 07:40 AM
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#311
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by moon
Can't imagine that TO would give up Gardiner at all let alone for an overpaid Cammy and two useless plugs.
Getting a 2nd for Cammy with his deal might be the best we can hope for at this point.
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The trouble we will have with trading Cammy is the $6m cap hit next year and the lower cap ceiling. Suppose that TML could amnesty buy out Komisarek and maybe Liles as they are being scratched which gives them flexibility. But they have to give a bunch new deals (Kadri, Bozak, Gunnarson, Franson) which eats into their cap space. Plus they would have lots of $ tied into their wings. May have to take a contract with term left on it to make a deal happen.
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02-28-2013, 08:15 AM
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#312
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Lifetime Suspension
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
Not if they're trying to win the Cup in the next two years - which they are. Bergeron is a better all-around player right now than Iginla. He can play top-two centre, and/or check top opposing lines. And he's 27.
The day after Boston made that trade they would be a worse team.
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I bet the Bruins would do it, they are one of the few teams with an eye toward this season and the future. Given that they would probably have a 50/50 chance of getting one of Jones/McKinnon/Barkov or Druin I imagine they say yes to that trade.
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02-28-2013, 03:48 PM
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#313
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Scoring Winger
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looks like he is trying
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02-28-2013, 04:16 PM
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#314
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Franchise Player
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I hope so. He should try to sign Ryan O'Reilly to an offer sheet
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02-28-2013, 04:23 PM
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#315
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by albertGQ
I hope so. He should try to sign Ryan O'Reilly to an offer sheet
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Lul.
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02-28-2013, 04:32 PM
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#316
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Franchise Player
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The answer to the title thread:
Yes, yes he is.
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02-28-2013, 04:35 PM
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#317
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada!
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Kinda nice when threads work out this way.
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