[News] Paul Byron recalled, Danny Taylor on waivers/sent down

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Bolt where, to the ECHL? The whole purpose of the farm system is to develop individual players and to develop players that are ready to step in and play your system if called up. It is not to develop Ward so that he can make the next step in his coaching career.

Sound familiar, ya of course it sounds familiar, that is how every NHL team operates their farm team and how they instruct their farm team coach

Sound familiar? Yeah, because we all loved how Brent tried to force square pegs into round holes. If Ward quit, he would get another job very quickly. His job is to develop players, but it is also to get W's and if he thinks his system is the way to do that, you can't just come and demand he coach another way or this franchise will look like micromanaging aholes. If his job was to purely develop players we would not have players like Kolanos, Street, Taylor, etc. on the farm team.

[Bertuzzied]

It's too bad Aliu couldn't keep up this year. He is the type of guy we need up here. More than Byron. Team speed isn't an issue this year. Grit and hits is whats missing.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Anyone else find it odd that the Heat do not play the same system as the Flames? There seems to be a lack of cohesion in the organization.

I respectfully disagree with this.

Before the season started, the Heat and Flames coaching staff went off to a nearby resort to bond and discuss strategies to make it as easy a transition for the players as possible (this includes systems play).

The only two differences I've noticed between the two teams is the forechecking scheme and the Flames defensemen jumping up in the play more often (because they have those kinds of d-men - the Heat don't).

The Heat play a 2-1-2 forecheck with two forecheckers applying pressure down low, while Hartley seems to opt for the more conservative 2-2-1 forecheck (which I personally can't stand).

Personally, I don't see much of a difference between the two teams. If anything, the Heat have to play a more conservative defensive system because they don't have any flashy d-men. But when the Heat did have flashy d-men like Wilson, Connelly, and Brodie, they played a much more aggressive, "hold the line," "jump in the rush" type of game.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Street and Taylor both cleared waivers. Thank God.

[timbit]

Told you not to worry.

[keenan87]

I don't think anyone was ever going to claim either one of those players.

Career AHLers

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I don't think anyone was ever going to claim either one of those players.

Career AHLers

...Like Kipper when he was 26 years old?

You never know until you give a guy a chance.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I respectfully disagree with this.

Before the season started, the Heat and Flames coaching staff went off to a nearby resort to bond and discuss strategies to make it as easy a transition for the players as possible (this includes systems play).

The only two differences I've noticed between the two teams is the forechecking scheme and the Flames defensemen jumping up in the play more often (because they have those kinds of d-men - the Heat don't).

The Heat play a 2-1-2 forecheck with two forecheckers applying pressure down low, while Hartley seems to opt for the more conservative 2-2-1 forecheck (which I personally can't stand).

Personally, I don't see much of a difference between the two teams. If anything, the Heat have to play a more conservative defensive system because they don't have any flashy d-men. But when the Heat did have flashy d-men like Wilson, Connelly, and Brodie, they played a much more aggressive, "hold the line," "jump in the rush" type of game.

I don't doubt that you see them much more than most of us and have a better understanding on what's going on there but the televised Heat games during the lockout made Monday's game against the Wild look like firewagon hockey in comparison. Ugly hockey.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

...Like Kipper when he was 26 years old?

You never know until you give a guy a chance.

No slight to Danny Taylor, but Kiprusoff was never thought of to be a career AHLer at any point. Up until now, Danny Taylor is thought of to be a career AHLer. I do kind of wish we gave him a chance at some point (say, a back-to-back with Irving) because, as you say, you never know and he played great in the AHL... but there are a ton of these AHL all stars out there, that historically are nothing but AHL all stars.

[theg69]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

...Like Kipper when he was 26 years old?

You never know until you give a guy a chance.

Agreed, but with the waiver rules that you have to keep the waiver claimed player on your NHL roster, there was basically no chance that either Taylor or Street get claimed.

If they could be claimed and sent down to the farm team, then someone might be more inclined to do so.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't doubt that you see them much more than most of us and have a better understanding on what's going on there but the televised Heat games during the lockout made Monday's game against the Wild look like firewagon hockey in comparison. Ugly hockey.

I'm curious as to which games you saw, because in October they televised a Heat/Wolves and Heat/Barons game and both of those were exciting games (I believe they went to a shootout and OT, respectfully).

I remember one televised game that was in Chicago and it was downright boring, snail hockey. I think it ended 1-0 or 1-1 in a shootout. Just awful hockey.

I'm not singling you out, but there are so many people that criticize trap defense, but if it's executed correctly, there are very few teams that can beat it. To me, the Heat are fairly decent at executing the trap and it often gets them wins. I'm okay with that. They still free wheel on offense, but don't have the most skilled players, thus low scoring games.

[Stay Golden]

No offense to fans of Byron but again we just get even smaller as a team.
I would have liked the Flames give an honest 10 game evaluation of Street while Backlund recovers, and what is going on with Alui? Thats the size we need on a 4th line instead of the softy Comeau.
He must be hurt?

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

No offense to fans of Byron but again we just get even smaller as a team.
I would have liked the Flames give an honest 10 game evaluation of Street while Backlund recovers, and what is going on with Alui? Thats the size we need on a 4th line instead of the softy Comeau.
He must be hurt?

I couldn't tell you what's wrong with him. Lately, he's starting to been starting to get back into his old form. He's being an a-hole on the ice, getting in fights, and surprisingly snake bitten with the chances he's had.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

No offense to fans of Byron but again we just get even smaller as a team.
I would have liked the Flames give an honest 10 game evaluation of Street while Backlund recovers, and what is going on with Alui? Thats the size we need on a 4th line instead of the softy Comeau.
He must be hurt?

He might be small, but he didn't really play small...

[moon]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

No offense to fans of Byron but again we just get even smaller as a team.
I would have liked the Flames give an honest 10 game evaluation of Street while Backlund recovers, and what is going on with Alui? Thats the size we need on a 4th line instead of the softy Comeau.
He must be hurt?

What's wrong Aliu is he isn't good enough to play in the NHL.

He may have size but isn't really willing to fight, is a poor skater, doesn't have a ton of offensive upside and overall just isn't that good.

At this point he needs to focus on maintaining his spot in Abbotsford and hopefully he stays far away from the Flames roster.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I couldn't tell you what's wrong with him. Lately, he's starting to been starting to get back into his old form. He's being an a-hole on the ice, getting in fights, and surprisingly snake bitten with the chances he's had.

an agitator like that is what the Flames need. Nobody on the roster has that be a prick to the other team mentality.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

an agitator like that is what the Flames need. Nobody on the roster has that be a prick to the other team mentality.

Anybody on the team could be that guy if asked.

I hope they have guys who actually are good enough to play in the NHL on the team not guys based on some garbage "be a prick to the other team" philosophy.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

an agitator like that is what the Flames need. Nobody on the roster has that be a prick to the other team mentality.

Agreed - would rather see him on teh roster than Comeau at this point.

The Flames are in desperate need of someone who can raise the energy level when it's flat. THey don't currently have anyone and I don't care how bad of a player he is, if he can add that, he would be helping the team.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by moon

Anybody on the team could be that guy if asked.

I hope they have guys who actually are good enough to play in the NHL on the team not guys based on some garbage "be a prick to the other team" philosophy.

Disappointed in Blair Jones in this respect.

He was really honing that part of his game last year and outside of the diving, was doing a good job of agitating.

There was a stretch of games where he really got under players skin, that San Jose game against Joe Thornton stands out to me.

[868904]

Originally Posted by moon

What's wrong Aliu is he isn't good enough to play in the NHL.

He may have size but isn't really willing to fight, is a poor skater, doesn't have a ton of offensive upside and overall just isn't that good.

At this point he needs to focus on maintaining his spot in Abbotsford and hopefully he stays far away from the Flames roster.

It's funny, I remember last year and during the summer, so many posters were penciling Aliu into the starting lineup for the Flames based a few meaningless games at the end of the season.

You could tell even then that a lot of work was needed and it doesn't look like he's progressed at all.