Annual Trade Iggy thread

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Truth.

Supported by real data, thanks to Metro Gnome:

http://flamesnation.ca/2012/8/20/wha...-jarome-iginla

The scary thing is other teams are smart enough to know those stats. So what if Feaster floats Iginla out there, and all of the offers are weak? Even taking the best deal available, Feaster may put himself in a position where he gets roasted by a fanbase that vastly overvalues Iginla's trade value. So instead Feaster holds onto Iginla, only to lose him to free agency in the summer. That's the worst case scenario for this franchise.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The scary thing is other teams are smart enough to know those stats. So what if Feaster floats Iginla out there, and all of the offers are weak? Even taking the best deal available, Feaster may put himself in a position where he gets roasted by a fanbase that vastly overvalues Iginla's trade value. So instead Feaster holds onto Iginla, only to lose him to free agency in the summer. That's the worst case scenario for this franchise.

Honestly, even if Iggy leaves as a free agent - so be it.

Again, when he moves on, they move on - and with some cleared cap space.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Honestly, even if Iggy leaves as a free agent - so be it.

Again, when he moves on, they move on - and with some cleared cap space.

But cap space plus an extra first round draft pick its far better than just cap space...

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The scary thing is other teams are smart enough to know those stats. So what if Feaster floats Iginla out there, and all of the offers are weak? Even taking the best deal available, Feaster may put himself in a position where he gets roasted by a fanbase that vastly overvalues Iginla's trade value. So instead Feaster holds onto Iginla, only to lose him to free agency in the summer. That's the worst case scenario for this franchise.

As long as Feaster makes it public knowledge that Iginla is available (unlike the Phaneuf trade) I think the public will know that whatever deal we get for Iginla was the best offer available.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

But cap space plus an extra first round draft pick its far better than just cap space...

Agreed, but I'm just saying that if Iginla walks - the world goes on. I think fans are really worried about that scenario playing out as the worst thing that could happen.

I view him re-signing here and this cycle of mediocrity continuing as the worst case scenario.

Particularly if they over-pay him.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Honestly, even if Iggy leaves as a free agent - so be it.

Again, when he moves on, they move on - and with some cleared cap space.

Yep. The suffering for Flames fans began a few years ago and will go on for another few years yet but Iginla doens't have to be part of it especially considering greener pastures will be available should he choose to join a contending team.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Particularly if they over-pay him.

Agreed. The only thing worse than the Flames re-signing Iginla would be the Flames overpaying him. We saw what Doan got offered last summer and that scares me greatly.

[Tinordi]

Running an organization on the fumes of nostalgia.

What's that saying? The road to hell...

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I see Pitt as the best fit. They need help on the wings and they have a lot of good prospects to move, particularly on D. I also like Beau Bennet up front.

Get one of Bennett, Poliout, Despres, Morrow, etc and a 1st – you have a deal.

I'd take that deal in minute.

There will be a lot fewer teams interested in Iginla than people think. Most contenders are already strong at RW. They aren't going to bump a Horton, a Williams, a Tarasenko, or a Clarkson to the 3rd line to fit in Iginla.

Crazy as it sounds, if Anderson continues to shine I could see the Senators taking a run at Iginla. They need scoring help, and Iginla could help transition the team after Alfredsson departs. And they have the cap space.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'd take that deal in minute.

There will be a lot fewer teams interested in Iginla than people think. Most contenders are already strong at RW. They aren't going to bump a Horton, a Williams, a Tarasenko, or a Clarkson to the 3rd line to fit in Iginla.

Crazy as it sounds, if Anderson continues to shine I could see the Senators taking a run at Iginla. They need scoring help, and Iginla could help transition the team after Alfredsson departs. And they have the cap space.

Yeah I hadn't thought of the Sens but they could be a target.

But do they have the type of asset the Flames covet? I doubt you get Silfvergberg back or Zibjan-too-many-letters-to-spell. The drop-off after those guys is pretty steep.

I do share your thought that number of teams is likely limited, but it will be boosted by the fact that more organizations will think they "have a shot".

[sa226]

I'm pretty indifferent to the future of Iginla. For everything he has done, it would be tough to see him go. But also, if he does go it would kinda be a symbolic fresh start.

However, if either or both of Iginla and the Calgary Flames see a future together beyond this season, there needs to be some tough conversations about his role in the line-up.

I don't think Iginla is the problem. The guy is almost 36, we all know that. The problem is he is still treated as the make a difference franchise player of the past 10 years. He is still getting top minutes, he is still looked at to be a difference maker. If you were to publicly ask guys around the locker room whose stick they would want the puck on in crunch time, most would likely say Iginla. His stigma as an elite player is the problem.

I don't think the coaching staff could honestly tell you they are impressed with Iginla's play thus far, but he is getting the superstar treatment of more icetime to work himself out of the funk. When the funk is his birth certificate.

I don't think Iginla is this cancer that needs to be immediately excised from the Calgary Flames in order to have success. But I do think that we will be mired in mediocrity until the organization top to bottom including Iginla, accepts that his role on the ice needs to change.

[rotten42]

I've always felt that an organization takes on the characteristics of the person who is leading it whether in business or sport. Iginla is supposed to be the leader of this team. We change coaches and get the same results. The constant is Iginla in the dressing room. We need new leadership there. I'm so sick of seeing this team only play a 40 minute game or play down to inferior talent teams. We didn't need a Sutter to kick some ass in the dressing room but we do need a captain that can do that. Iggy isn't it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I view him re-signing here and this cycle of mediocrity continuing as the worst case scenario.

Particularly if they over-pay him.

I love the guy, one of my all-time faves, but I agree with this 100%.

The organization needs to move on asap, keeping Iginla for a few more years while trying their best to squeak into 8th spot and a 1st round loss is so unappealing.

They need to start building around a younger, faster, cheaper core. I'd love to see Iggy win a cup, but it sure ain't happening here. A trade would be best for both sides.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Agreed, but I'm just saying that if Iginla walks - the world goes on. I think fans are really worried about that scenario playing out as the worst thing that could happen.

I view him re-signing here and this cycle of mediocrity continuing as the worst case scenario.

Particularly if they over-pay him.

My concern is that the if the Flames do want Iginla to re-sign what other choice do they have but to overpay him? At this point it's not even a question of dollars. It's a question of whether the organization wants to move on or not. If their answer is no, then I don't think they would bother letting Iginla walk over the difference between $6mil and $5mil per season (or similar figures).

If the Flames want Iginla to stay, Iginla has all leverage in a contract negoiation and can squeeze the Flames for a lot of extra dough, IMO.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah, at this point this sort of goes hand in hand with the how many players away the Flames are. Right now, I don't feel Iginla, and Kiprusoff can be relied upon to be what they've been. Iginla really should be a second line forward, first line guy if he's playing with other top line types. Right now he's playing with a guy who's a fringe top line LW'er in Tanguay converted to center, and Glencross who should be on a second line tops. He's no longer a guy who can carry a line like that.

Question is will he remove his NTC? 2 weeks from now the team could be in a position where management has to approach him and ask him about it.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yeah I hadn't thought of the Sens but they could be a target.

But do they have the type of asset the Flames covet? I doubt you get Silfvergberg back or Zibjan-too-many-letters-to-spell. The drop-off after those guys is pretty steep.

Cody Ceci.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I love the guy, one of my all-time faves, but I agree with this 100%.

The organization needs to move on asap, keeping Iginla for a few more years while trying their best to squeak into 8th spot and a 1st round loss is so unappealing.

They need to start building around a younger, faster, cheaper core. I'd love to see Iggy win a cup, but it sure ain't happening here. A trade would be best for both sides.

Yup.

I had no problem with the Flames trying to make it work with Iginla and Kiprusoff - they deserved that (and it might have worked).

But (unless womething unbelievable happens in the next month or two) it hasn't worked and time is up.

Time to try something different.

Actually, there's another factor for me as well: I like some of the recent additions, I think there is something to work with there and they are younger and more useful than the supporting cast was a couple years ago. There is a core group of guys to work with, beyond the Iginla and friends group.

[troutman]

CGY could have got a lot for Iginla and Kipper last year. Much less now.

[Britflamesfan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Agreed, but I'm just saying that if Iginla walks - the world goes on. I think fans are really worried about that scenario playing out as the worst thing that could happen.

I view him re-signing here and this cycle of mediocrity continuing as the worst case scenario.

Particularly if they over-pay him.

This is my worst nightmare, the team desperately needs to move on from Iggy, that's not meant as an insult to him, he has been the backbone of the team for years. But the team has to move on and until he goes the whole Iggy owns the team thing will continue. Time for a fresh start for him and the team.

[Iceman57]

It breaks down to the fact that while Jarome Iginla stays here, there is no way for him to move off the ivory podium we all have him placed on, to just be our 2nd line RWer because that's what he is now. For all that he has done for the Flames, he will forever be loved but also always be counted on to be "the guy" whether it be by the fans or his own ego.

It was recently discovered between a friend, who unfortunately is a Canucks fan and myself who attributed this exact situation to what my friends team went through with Trevor Linden, however many years ago. Trevor Linden maybe wasn't as revered at the time but it wasn't until he was traded away and then reacquired that he was able to come back and be a slightly lesser player on the ice because of his lack of ability due to his age which was then accepted by the Vancouver fans. That is what i believe needs to happen with Iggy and what i feel will happen.

If the Flames are out of the playoffs by the time the NHL trade deadline arrives, he will be moved for a fresh start for both his sake as well as for the teams but i would go so far as to guarantee that Jarome comes back to Calgary for his last season in the NHL.