Annual Trade Iggy thread

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by moon

It isn't like Iginla is the only one people are angry at or that people (for the most part) are personally mad at Iginla and think he did something wrong.

Most of the anger is directed at other people/places.

Sure but this is the "trade Iginla thread" no?

[red sky]

Iggy looks small out there. He was losing board battles all night. Being out muscled and getting knocked down. There was a play when Hudler went deep into the Wild's end and came out with the puck against a much bigger d-man (aren't they all). He is just not the same.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Come on Flash, you're better then that. He's off to a great start but we both know that was referring to his back-to-back seasons of 54 and 49 points.

Sure I am.

There was little statistical difference between the Season vinny had last year and the season Iginla had except that Lecavalier was injured for a quarter of the season and Iginla played all 82.

Lecavalier's low point totals are also easily attributable to the career altering shoulder injury he received in the playoffs from Cooke.

None of this has anything to do with the post I made though.

Tampa fans are all over Vinny for the last two seasons but like him again because he's playing well again. He's playing hard again.

What does that have to do with Iginla no longer being a tough competitor to play against? Nothing, but then again, I didn't bring up Lecavalier, Ashasx did.

[moon]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Sure but this is the "trade Iginla thread" no?

Yes it is but most of the reasons for trading Iginla seem to be based around the team not being good enough right now or in the future and Iginla being a valuable piece. Not Iginla sucking and being worthless.

If this were the waive Iginla thread then I would agree the anger directed at him would be unwarranted but most of the views in this thread seem to be based on blaming the management of this team during Iginla's time here for not building enough around him that he can be the type of player that he should be at 35 years old.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by moon

Yes it is but most of the reasons for trading Iginla seem to be based around the team not being good enough right now or in the future and Iginla being a valuable piece. Not Iginla sucking and being worthless.

If this were the waive Iginla thread then I would agree the anger directed at him would be unwarranted but most of the views in this thread seem to be based on blaming the management of this team during Iginla's time here for not building enough around him that he can be the type of player that he should be at 35 years old.

Good point, fair enough.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by red sky

Iggy looks small out there. He was losing board battles all night. Being out muscled and getting knocked down. There was a play when Hudler went deep into the Wild's end and came out with the puck against a much bigger d-man (aren't they all). He is just not the same.

Ya Brodin won a few board battles against Iggy. Mind you, Brodin looked like a very good defenseman but the point is he is a 19 year old Swedish kid that Iginla should manhandle out there.

In 10-15 games Iginla will turn it around. Maybe once he gets in a fight or two

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The knives are certainly out.

There is an appetite for change, and I understand that, and probably even agree with it.

What I don't agree with is the tone of disrespect that seems to have been directed to Iginla from a segment of the fanbase over the past few seasons.

None of the organizational problems the Flames have are Iginla's fault. Is he the player he once was? No. But he has done everything in his power over his career to help the team win on the ice. The fact that he hasn't had an up and coming "Iginla" to help him shoulder the load isn't his fault. This organization missed a great opportunity with franchise greats like Iginla and Kipper being part of the team and not being able to supplement the team with other gamebreaking talent to assist them.

Trading Iginla is certainly a valid option at this point, but let's not get carried away and somehow start suggesting the guy is or has been a detriment to the team. The Flames would be an absolute laughing stock without him, he could have left for green pasture before but he's shown a lot of loyalty to this city and the fans.

I for one will respect the guy no matter what happens and I hope he does get a chance to life the cup before his career is over. And I have no doubt if he gets traded to a contender he will be a massive contributor to their success.

This is a good post.

Last night i went into the game thread about half way through the game. I could not understand why "Ashasx" was defending Iggy's play? After the game i went and looked at some of the earlier pages of comments about Iggy and they were down right disgraceful. Iginla did not deserve some of those comments. So i guess i kind of have to appologize to "Ashasx" for thinking he could not see how bad Iggy was playing when all he was doing was standing up for Iggy.

That said some posters think Iggy can do no wrong. When he is critized or if posters think that it would be better off that he is traded, we are labelled as "Iggy haters". That realy pisses me off. Iggy is my favourite player in the NHL, but the logo on the front of the jersey means more than 5 Iginla's put together. I still think the best thing for this team for present and future is to trade Iggy and that does not make me a " Iginla hater".

[FireFight]

Iggy shouldnt be played like a 1st liner... we all know the truth is Iggy and the flames would be better off going seperate ways.. Right now a first for Iggy might be all we get

[flamesfever]

What bugs me the most is that a lot of our offence keys on getting the puck to Iginla, which in most cases ends up going nowhere. I worry that our new coach is overestimating Iginla's ability to be the kingpin for this team's success.


I love the guy and what he has done for us in the past, but he is clearly not the go-to guy he once was. If they give him a big contract to stay until he's 40, I don't have much hope for the Flames.

[powderjunkie]

IMO Iginla is too comfortable and needs a new challenge. I hope he is realizing that too.

I don't think he wants to uproot his family, so I don't imagine he moves until closer to the deadline. Then he and family determine plan in the summer. I think staying in the west might also be a priority

Obviously this all comes down to where Iggy would want to go - I haven't read all 13 pages of this, so perhaps it has been discussed, but I imagine Iggy's short list would include some of the following:

Chicago
Anaheim
San Jose
Pittsburgh
Boston

St. Louis (assuming they become a playoff lock)
Los Angeles (assuming they become a playoff lock)
New Jersey
Carolina
Philadelphia (assuming they become a playoff lock)


Of those teams Philly is in cap jail, and SJ and Chicago don't have a ton of wiggle room, so some $$ would have to come back.

Agree/disagree with these teams?

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

IMO Iginla is too comfortable and needs a new challenge. I hope he is realizing that too.

I don't think he wants to uproot his family, so I don't imagine he moves until closer to the deadline. Then he and family determine plan in the summer. I think staying in the west might also be a priority

Obviously this all comes down to where Iggy would want to go - I haven't read all 13 pages of this, so perhaps it has been discussed, but I imagine Iggy's short list would include some of the following:

Chicago
Anaheim
San Jose
Pittsburgh
Boston

St. Louis (assuming they become a playoff lock)
Los Angeles (assuming they become a playoff lock)
New Jersey
Carolina
Philadelphia (assuming they become a playoff lock)


Of those teams Philly is in cap jail, and SJ and Chicago don't have a ton of wiggle room, so some $$ would have to come back.

Agree/disagree with these teams?

I think I read some where that Lucic , Iggy and Ference used to work out together in the off season so my money is on Boston if they are willing to give up the assets to acquire him.

[FireFight]

The guy is 35-36 dont really remember too many =35 leading their team in points and TOI...Trade to Phil or Pens for whatever

[Savvy27]

Iggy looks like he has played too many games that didn't matter and he has lost his fire. He'd be better off in Pittsburgh or Boston fighting for the conference lead. This season is looking grim even with Jarome, it wouldn't be much worse without him. Management owes the fans to wait until he gets hot and re-inflates his value, to get him to a good team and get some key pieces back.

[Erick Estrada]

I don't even care about a trade or return at this point. I'm at the point where I hope Iginla signs with another team in the offseason regardless of him staying or being moved at the deadline. It would be the best for Iginla to be paired up with elite line mates on a cup challenger where he could be appreciated by another fanbase. It would also be best for the Flames to turn the page and begin building a new foundation based on new leadership which is something that is never going to happen as long as #12 is on the roster.

My fear hedges on the Flames ownership's arena plans to which they may feel the need Iginla's face to sell and Iginla's reluctance to move his family. If the Flames and Iggy feel they need each other it's going to be more of the same abysmal hockey and hopelessness that accompanies being a Flames fan.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't even care about a trade or return at this point. I'm at the point where I hope Iginla signs with another team in the offseason regardless of him staying or being moved at the deadline. It would be the best for Iginla to be paired up with elite line mates on a cup challenger where he could be appreciated by another fanbase. It would also be best for the Flames to turn the page and begin building a new foundation based on new leadership which is something that is never going to happen as long as #12 is on the roster.

My fear hedges on the Flames ownership's arena plans to which they may feel the need Iginla's face to sell and Iginla's reluctance to move his family.

New Arena announcement in 3 months to coincide with Iginla's new extension??

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

IMO Iginla is too comfortable and needs a new challenge. I hope he is realizing that too.

I don't think he wants to uproot his family, so I don't imagine he moves until closer to the deadline. Then he and family determine plan in the summer. I think staying in the west might also be a priority

Obviously this all comes down to where Iggy would want to go - I haven't read all 13 pages of this, so perhaps it has been discussed, but I imagine Iggy's short list would include some of the following:

Chicago
Anaheim
San Jose
Pittsburgh
Boston

St. Louis (assuming they become a playoff lock)
Los Angeles (assuming they become a playoff lock)
New Jersey
Carolina
Philadelphia (assuming they become a playoff lock)


Of those teams Philly is in cap jail, and SJ and Chicago don't have a ton of wiggle room, so some $$ would have to come back.

Agree/disagree with these teams?

I don't think Iggy's list would be much more than 5 teams. I agree with the bolded part as being the teams that would more than likely be on his list. If there was a 6th team added to that list it would probably be Vancouver. Feaster would never trade him to Vancouver, but it shows that if the list is 6 teams long that only one or 2 make good trading partners.

Anaheim has an internal budget and cash flow problem from what i have read. They are more than likely going to have to pick one of Geztlaf or Perry to retain. They don't have the money for both. Financially i doubt they could afford Iggy.

[JiriHrdina]

I’ve been off the Iginla band-wagon for the last few years. He gets outplayed by the other team’s best players most nights, so even though he is producing points – they aren’t enough to offset the fact that the other guys’ best players outscore him.

That’s not entirely his fault – he should no longer be the Flames’ best players. But his refusal to evolve his game to where he can still contribute offensively but also bring it at the defensive end, has certainly hurt this team.

Moreover, part of my reason for thinking the team needs to move on is that organizationally they are stuck in the mindset of trying to get him his cup. They see that as the perfect ending – but it is becoming increasingly unreachable. Once he moves on – the organization moves on.

The Sundin comparison are bang on.

I see Pitt as the best fit. They need help on the wings and they have a lot of good prospects to move, particularly on D. I also like Beau Bennet up front.

Get one of Bennett, Poliout, Despres, Morrow, etc and a 1st – you have a deal.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't think Iggy's list would be much more than 5 teams. I agree with the bolded part as being the teams that would more than likely be on his list. If there was a 6th team added to that list it would probably be Vancouver. Feaster would never trade him to Vancouver, but it shows that if the list is 6 teams long that only one or 2 make good trading partners.

Anaheim has an internal budget and cash flow problem from what i have read. They are more than likely going to have to pick one of Geztlaf or Perry to retain. They don't have the money for both. Financially i doubt they could afford Iggy.

Ya that's why I had a space to those next teams...I don't think they'd be his first choice, but that he might consider them. I just can't imagine we live in a world where Iginla would wear an orca...I guess I can see why he might want to for family reasons, but I don't want to entertain the thought!

For that matter Edmonton would be a really good trading partner with all of their young pieces and cap space, not to mention Iggy's hometown. I wouldn't want anyone but Eberle though, and I'm sure that wouldn't happen!

[1stLand]

As long as Iginla is on the roster, we wont have room in our top 6 to develop:

Baertschi
Gudreau
Backlund

Iginla is given top line minutes (in fact the most forward minutes every game)
Even though he has 1 goal in 10 games.

That is unacceptable. Especially given the fact he plays 1st powerplay unit.

If Iginla is willing to accept a third line role and play 10 minutes a game then we should keep him.

But sacrificing our younger players development in place of playing Iginla out of respect for what he has done in the past is wrong.

I cant beleive fans arent as outraged as I am that he only has 1 goal to show for 22 minutes a game, whereas Hudler has been lighting it up with only 14 minutes a game of icetime and second powerplay unit.

[CaptainCrunch]

First of all I blame Yoga.

He stopped being a dominant power forward down low when he moved away from conventional training to the whole Yoga thing.

He's near as strong as he used to be and his ability to bowl over people is long gone, now his legs are slowing down.

I would very much doubt that if he was traded that he would ever consider coming back here on another contract.

I would also suggest that trading him though he stated that he would wave his NTC might open up a bit of a rift between Iginla and the Flames org.