[News] Flames claim Joey MacDonald

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

Is he not on the IR still.? Thought u couldn't trade a guy on the IR...

With everyone talking about ramo bein so good, are we absolutely certain he will come? If he is that good I'm sure his KHL team will offer him more than we can and he is already the started and closer to home... I feel he will come but it seems like everyone is banking everything on the ramo basket

[Henry Fool]

When the Rämö trade went down, Feaster's official statement was:

“Karri Ramo provides us with greater depth at a critical position,” said Jay Feaster. “Ramo has NHL experience and is one of the top goaltenders in Europe. His work ethic and dedication are first rate, and he is just starting to enter the prime of his career. We believe he has the tools and mental make-up necessary to be a number one goaltender in the NHL, and are pleased to add him to our organization.”

That seems factual. As Ashasx says, there's no objective measurement of who is the absolute best goalie, period. Every year someone wins the Vezina but people wouldn't be able to agree on who among the best in the NHL is the absolute best.

Rämö has NHL experience and has been one of the best in the KHL for years, so in that way he's ahead of some other Europeans who either had only one good season or had never played in NA before.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

I think the reason why he didn't sign in Montreal is that Price is 10 years younger than Kipper. I'm sure Feaster touched base with him before he did the trade.

I don't disagree, but it is still not a slam dunk to sign him if he thinks that he will only play 10-15 games next year for us when he can sign anywhere as a UFA on July 1st (I am pretty sure anyways).

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

So Feaster and co. saw something in Irving (which we all apparently missed) that gave him enough confidence in our goaltending to trade Kipper? Or is this the start of a rebuild?

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The bigger question should be why do you automatically assume that any player the Flames sign will fail before he's given a chance?

The same reason why lots of us aren't "real fans". Because we look at the situation rationally.

Most of these "best player in ____" types don't ever pan out to be much in the NHL (and most completely bust out). Just because he's property of the team we cheer for doesn't change his odds of making it in the NHL. The big question is really this - what makes Karri Ramo (a name no one on this forum who be talking about until the trade last year) so much different than every other good, older player from Europe who didn't make it?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

Is he not on the IR still.? Thought u couldn't trade a guy on the IR...

With everyone talking about ramo bein so good, are we absolutely certain he will come? If he is that good I'm sure his KHL team will offer him more than we can and he is already the started and closer to home... I feel he will come but it seems like everyone is banking everything on the ramo basket

As far I know, he comes off of IR tomorrow or wednsday.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

Doubt that. I wouldn't address the media either. What is he supposed to say? That the Flames felt they need a back-up they could trust? That will probably be the message tomorrow. But tonight Irving is the starter and the GM can't really say he doesn't trust the guy that is starting tonight.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Pretty sure if Det claimed him they couldn't send him back down. I don't imagine they are too concerned about opening another roster spot to find a diamond in the rough that turns out to be another Datsyuk.

Detroit could send him down if the Flames waived him and the Wings decided to claim him back. It would be as if the Flames never put in the claim, and he cleared initial waivers.

If the Flames were to waive him, I believe the priority would be: any other team who put in a claim on this waiver; the Red Wings; every other team in regular waiver priority. The Wings would be the only team who could send him to the AHL without needing to waive him again.

[Bertuzzied]

Iginla gets traded before Kipper ever would.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

Kiprusoff was upset that his teammates don't pulverize anybody who gets anywhere near Kiprusoff on the ice. Kiprusoff just can't focus properly and gets very hot under the collar when people brush by him. So he got fed up after the 2nd period against Detroit and he walked past the coach's office, and straight to the owner's box and said "I just played my last game for the Flames".

Feaster has convinced Kiprusoff to pretend that he is hurt so that he can quickly be traded for a fair value, instead of it looking like a situation where the Flames can get fleeced because they have to trade a player and quick.



Do I really need to put that in green text?

[polak]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

Is he not on the IR still.? Thought u couldn't trade a guy on the IR...

I'm thinking Irving is the one that is on his way as a piece in a bigger trade.

Remember, this stupid organization is probably still in "win-now" mode.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Eric Francis ‏@EricFrancis
J Feaster refuses to address media today to explain Joey MacDonald acquisition, fueling speculation he's trying hard to trade a g. Good luck


Seriously, Kipper is moving, I feel it.

I'd be happy if they could pull a good trade for Kipper, but it's far more likely that he trying to trade Irving. Maybe he wants to wait until tonight's game is over until making any statements.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

Is he not on the IR still.? Thought u couldn't trade a guy on the IR...

With everyone talking about ramo bein so good, are we absolutely certain he will come? If he is that good I'm sure his KHL team will offer him more than we can and he is already the started and closer to home... I feel he will come but it seems like everyone is banking everything on the ramo basket

Regarding

Point A: That is a myth, a widely spread one. Injured players can be traded, you just have to disclose all details of the injury to the other team. Players have been trded while on IR before and will again, it is just a rarity because quite frankly who wants to take the risk that the player can't reutrn to form afterwards.


Point B: The is no guarantee and since we lose his rights this summer he could sign anywhere in the NHL too

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

last game in the NHL. might as well go out in style and go Jamie Mclennan on Heatley.

Off Topic...when you responded to Flash..." it must suck to be poor". What were you relating "poor" to?

personal finances, intelligence, common sense? Just curious.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by getbak

Detroit could send him down if the Flames waived him and the Wings decided to claim him back. It would be as if the Flames never put in the claim, and he cleared initial waivers.

If the Flames were to waive him, I believe the priority would be: any other team who put in a claim on this waiver; the Red Wings; every other team in regular waiver priority. The Wings would be the only team who could send him to the AHL without needing to waive him again.

You are correct.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

MacDonald has not played a game since March 14th of last season...not sure why we would pick up a goaltender who is obviously a risk coming off a back injury.

They have absolutely no confidence in Taylor and would prefer to eat up another contract spot that let him see NHL ice?

MacDonald, from what I've seen, is about the same level as Irving. He's a bit of a positional goaltender with slow lateral movement (better than Karlsson, but still slow). He'd be a suitable backup if the Flames ever lose confidence in Irving and is an upgrade over Taylor.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

There is no way in hell we trade Kipper.

Irving + a 1st for Clutterbuck!

Butler for Tootoo.

Cammy for Chris Neil.

Lets see the Canucks laugh on the bench the next time we play them.

you forgot to log into your ricardow gimmick account

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

So Feaster and co. saw something in Irving (which we all apparently missed) that gave him enough confidence in our goaltending to trade Kipper? Or is this the start of a rebuild?

Likely both. Kipper really is the only piece that could be used to address the whole #1 C or 1/2C the team really needs. Move Kipper get a good shot at McKinnon or Barkov or acquire with Kipper or both. I dont know, I am just speculating as much as anyone else here right now but It's not as outlandish to me as it would be to many others here.

Irving gets his shot with as many starts as he can handle and MacDonald is there to provide veteran relief. I really do believe this to be the case.

[Bertuzzied]

Actually thinking about it, if Irving knows he is getting the boot why would the Flames start him tonite? It's almost a guarantee Taylor is going to start.

Otherwise it will be like the Jokinen trade to the Rangers all over again.

[Weiser Wonder]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

I'd be happy if they could pull a good trade for Kipper, but it's far more likely that he trying to trade Irving. Maybe he wants to wait until tonight's game is over until making any statements.

Yeah Joey MacDonald doesn't replace Kipper, unless you are tanking. I don't think the Flames are tanking.

Joey MacDonald is a good guy to sit on the bench while Kipper plays and Taylor and Brust get playing time in the minors.

My guess is you're right, it's Irving and Feaster doesn't want to say that in case Irving has to start tonight.