Muslim vigilantes in London

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I saw a jihadist with an arabic placard in his hand
Walking the streets of SoHo in the rain
He was looking for a store called H&M
Gonna make the mannequins look like they're from Bahrain
Awoooooo! Jihadists of London. Awoooooo!

Please tell me you wrote this!?

[CaptainCrunch]

I hope he did because its brilliant

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by polak

Like what?
Thou shall not kill?

I hate all religion but I can't think of any laws in Canada that maybe based on Religion that I don't think should exist.

I can think of plenty of laws in other places that are based on religion and shouldn't exist.

Anti-nudism laws. Any law that cites "moral decency". Anti-sodomy laws. Laws guaranteeing non-secular schools government funding (Catholic school system). The Lord's Day Act.

Hell, the Charter Of Rights And Freedoms assumes the existence of God and uses that as an original source of law.

This is not to mention former laws against gay marriage and former laws against mixed marriage.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Rathji

You think that because white people will be the minority in the western world that somehow it will cause religious laws to be forced upon you and your family? I am sorry. I thought I was having a totally different conversation, with someone who understood, even remotely, how laws work and how they get made.

Have a nice day.

I never said that.
Read my post again and stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm saying that as long as the "new" majority is still CANADIAN, regardless of Race or Religion, then I don't care. By Canadian I mean they have core Canadian beliefs and values such as:

- Believe in equal rights for women.
- Believe in a fair trail and innocent until proven guilty.
- Follow CANADIAN law that is based on our constitution (which can admittedly be tricky) and our parlimentry system.

If we ever start seeing these types of religious attacks or whatever, then I'll have a huge problem. I'm not saying that it will happen. I never said that at all. I said IF it did, then we would have an issue.

God. Some people on this site have a real hard-on for throwing around the bigot and race card. Grow up.

[polak]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Anti-nudism laws. Any law that cites "moral decency". Anti-sodomy laws. Laws guaranteeing non-secular schools government funding (Catholic school system). The Lord's Day Act.

Hell, the Charter Of Rights And Freedoms assumes the existence of God and uses that as an original source of law.

This is not to mention former laws against gay marriage and former laws against mixed marriage.

Those that are based on the existence of God I do have a problem with, such as the catholic school thing.

Those that are based on 1000+ years of society evolving and adapting a basic sense of morals (like the nudity laws) I don't have a problem with.

Yes, you could argue that all laws are based on someones sense of morals but laws usually follow the opinion of the majority (as they should). Just look at gay marriage laws.

[AR_Six]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

The Lord's Day Act.

Doesn't this, um, not exist anymore since 1985? http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/...5canlii69.html? Making this a pretty good example of how it's a waste of time to legislate religious principles?

Originally Posted by Supreme Court of Canada

Since the acknowledged purpose of the Lord’s Day Act, on long‑standing and consistently maintained authority, is the compulsion of religious observance, that Act offends freedom of religion and it is unnecessary to consider the actual impact of Sunday closing upon religious freedom. Legislation whose purpose is found to violate the Charter cannot be saved even if its effects were found to be inoffensive.

[puckluck2]

Der terking erver!!! Yes!

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Anti-nudism laws. Any law that cites "moral decency". Anti-sodomy laws. Laws guaranteeing non-secular schools government funding (Catholic school system). The Lord's Day Act.

Hell, the Charter Of Rights And Freedoms assumes the existence of God and uses that as an original source of law.

This is not to mention former laws against gay marriage and former laws against mixed marriage.

Not to nit pick but just for your info, there are no anti-sodomy laws in Canada, if its between consenting parties them great, if not its sexual assault. In order to charge someone for public nudity you need the permission of the attorney general. Go to wreck beach in Vancouver if you wanna see public nudity. Moral decency? How is that a Christian thing? That's more common sense than anything. Your argument may have been valid 30 years ago but not anymore. I'd say Canada has one of if not the most open and free society in the world which is why people immigrate here.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by polak

I never said that.
Read my post again and stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm saying that as long as the "new" majority is still CANADIAN, regardless of Race or Religion, then I don't care. By Canadian I mean they have core Canadian beliefs and values such as:

- Believe in equal rights for women.
- Believe in a fair trail and innocent until proven guilty.
- Follow CANADIAN law that is based on our constitution and our parlimentry system.

If we ever start seeing these types of religious attacks or whatever, then I'll have a huge problem. I'm not saying that it will happen. I never said that at all. I said IF it did, then we would have an issue.

God. Some people on this site have a real hard-on for throwing around the bigot and race card. Grow up.

I have no idea how anyone has thrown around the bigot card, but if you thought I was, then I apologize, it wasnt my intent.

Here is a real good example that you are not grasping the big picture, and why I said that you only want these people to conform to your viewpoint, not the viewpoint that is truly Canadian. Women didn't always have equal rights in Canada. Laws changed to allow them those rights. Laws change based on society. That's how they work. The majority of people think something is right for long enough, and it will become a law.

You concern is, it seems, that enough children will be born and raised in our Canadian culture, by Muslim parents, that they will not only outnumber all the other cultural/religious groups in the country combined, but that they will all welcome Fundamentalist Islamic government?

That is a serious stretch.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I have no idea how anyone has thrown around the bigot card, but if you thought I was, then I apologize, it wasnt my intent.

Here is a real good example that you are not grasping the big picture, and why I said that you only want these people to conform to your viewpoint, not the viewpoint that is truly Canadian. Women didn't always have equal rights in Canada. Laws changed to allow them those rights. Laws change based on society. That's how they work. The majority of people think something is right for long enough, and it will become a law.

You concern is, it seems, that enough children will be born and raised in our Canadian culture, by Muslim parents, that they will not only outnumber all the other cultural/religious groups in the country combined, but that they will all welcome Fundamentalist Islamic government?

That is a serious stretch.

Not to jump into this argument with both feet but we are seeing a rise in homegrown radicalization, I don't know if you can sit here and say that doesn't happen and seems to be happening more often. I don't think it matters where you are born, one of the larger problems is the alienation of these communities whether its self inflicted or not.

I don't have a great deal of faith when it comes to combining viewpoints with where people are born.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Rathji

You concern is, it seems, that enough children will be born and raised in our Canadian culture, by Muslim parents, that they will not only outnumber all the other cultural/religious groups in the country combined, but that they will all welcome Fundamentalist Islamic government?

That is a serious stretch.

I actually never expressed that concern as I don't think it'll ever be an issue (although I do think it happens, didn't some girl get murdered in Canada not too long ago over islamic law or something? Might be wrong though).

The only concern I ever expressed was over something like this vigilante stuff becoming a widespread problem. I never said that it will because I truely don't believe so but if it did, I'd have an issue.

My intent with that post was actually to calm down the religion/ant-religion vibe that was starting to emerge in this thread by saying that as long as our core Canadian beliefs continue to grow in progressive and "western" way and we don't backtrack, then who cares what race is the majority.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Traditional_Ale

Please tell me you wrote this!?

Indeed I did!

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Not to jump into this argument with both feet but we are seeing a rise in homegrown radicalization, I don't know if you can sit here and say that doesn't happen and seems to be happening more often. I don't think it matters where you are born, one of the larger problems is the alienation of these communities whether its self inflicted or not.

I don't have a great deal of faith when it comes to combining viewpoints with where people are born.

I grew up in the SE. Went to school in Dover and Forest Lawn. I grew up with almost as many kids that were Asian/Indian as were white. Almost all these kids, even those only separated from SE Asia by a couple years were extremely westernised.

I worked in a Meat packing plant for 12 years, mostly with people who were recent immigrants (SE Asia and Middle East) to Canada. The majority of these people were dedicated to working in the crap hole to make sure their kids got the education they needed so they could be a full part of Canadian society, like they couldn't (due to education or language barriers).

I realize that this doesn't mean anything in the big scheme of things, and is just a couple examples from my life, but you would be hard pressed to convince me that by the time these kids grow up and have kids of their own, enough of them will be firmly entrenched in their parents culture and religion that they will be able to change the laws of our country to include things like Islamic (or any religiously) based laws.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Someone should form an "immoral squad" and go around telling people to dress more provocative and to drink more.

[polak]

Originally Posted by TheyCallMeBruce

Someone should form an "immoral squad" and go around telling people to dress more provocative and to drink more.

This describes any drunk group of guys.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Indeed I did!

Well freaking done!

[Traditional_Ale]

If a group of Muslims decided to go on patrol in Calgary, I'm sure another group would go out there to counter them. They're called the Police.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I saw a jihadist with an arabic placard in his hand
Walking the streets of SoHo in the rain
He was looking for a store called H&M
Gonna make the mannequins look like they're from Bahrain
Awoooooo! Jihadists of London. Awoooooo!

draw blood

[TheyCallMeBruce]

Originally Posted by polak

This describes any drunk group of guys.

We could call it the "Drunk Posse" like in the simpsons.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

It will never be a widespread problem. Thinking otherwise is insulting to anyone with half a brain, and getting mad about it on the internet just makes you look like a half-witted tool who can't tell what's worth getting upset about and what isn't. (Hint: It's not this)

Who's getting mad about it (aside from you)? I certainly haven't stooped to the level of calling anyone a "half-witted tool", anyway.

Sorry, but this sort of extremism is a problem worth discussing, and no amount of you flailing your arms about and throwing around childish insults will change that. It simply cannot continue to be taboo to criticize something that motivates people to do hateful and oppressive things in the name of the divine.