Standings Death for Seth?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

First move has to be Cammalleri, you can recoup the 2nd for him at minimum if moved to a team like Dallas or Anaheim. Then you need to look at moving out Tanguay, if you can get a 2nd for him too, you could be in great shape to consider options on Iginla. If those 2 are moved, Iginla may request a trade to a contender privately. Taking the monkey off managements back so to speak.

If you make those first 2 moves, you then look at your Kipper options. If you can package Bouwmeester and Kipper for a 1st, 2nd and blue chip (Couturier type) then you look at having 2 or 3 2nds, and 2 firsts in a very deep draft. 5 or 6 top 60 picks, Resigning of Cervenka, Hudler locked up, Backlund turning the corner, Bartschi blossoming, Ramo coming over and having a camp of Ramo, Irving, Brosoit, Ortio and potentially Brust competing for Goalie duties.. I see a very bright future and quick turnaround for this team.

Making these moves are hard to consider, but its time. Im a Flames fan first and its a no brainer.

EDIT: plus then Glencross can get put back on the top line where he belongs. Not pushed aside to try and get Cammalleri going.. I like Cammi but im super disapointed how hes playing. Its not like he took the lockout off. He played in the Spengler Cup. Hes been skating. Hes just not getting it done. Its like hes still looking for his teeth out there.

I'd hope you'd get at least a 1st for Tanguay...

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by craig.caulks

Let's say the Flames win the lottery and pick 1st, do you trade down a spot or 2 or is there someone specific you'd want?

Probably a good thing I am not a GM, but I would take Barkov above anyone else. If I could trade down and get some additional assets to go with Barkov I would. MacKinnon would be the one I take first overall though. If that makes sense.

I take a pass on Jones. Drouin would be a nice consolation prize at the fourth pick but he is a winger and The Flames should be drafting another center in the first round regardless of where they end up picking.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The lines seem more like a 2A, 2B, 2C kind of situation this year.

However, the truth is in the TOI, IMO, as well as the PP time.

And according to them, there is no doubt that Iginla's line is still the #1

Yeah the coach is still flogging the Iginla line above others but looking at production, Tanguay (6), Iginla (4) and Cammallari (2) , total 12 points is behind Stempniak (5), Glencross (5) and Backlund (3), total 13 points. Total goals scored is even worse for the Iginla line with them having 3 goals to Glencross' line having 8 goals.

[Hatter]

If the Flames fail miserably and are way out of it by the deadline, I hope we could see a quick re-tool in time for next season.

Iginla to Pittsburgh for Despres/Pouliot, Kennedy, 1st. If they want a roster defenseman back they can have Butler too.

Cammalleri to anybody for a 1st, and we can keep some of his salary.

Trade Stajan for a pick, or buy him out if there's no suitors.

Throw money at Weiss and Filppula in the off-season, and try to re-sign Cervenka and Backlund.

Tanguay - Weiss - Baertschi/Glencross
Hudler - Cervenka - Filppula
Stempniak - Backlund - Glencross/Baertschi
Whoever - Jones - Kennedy

Bouwmeester - Giordano
Wideman - Despres
Brodie - Sarich/Smith

Kipper
Ramo/Irving

Plus up to 3 first rounders in a good draft, that we can hopefully use on a Centre, Right Wing, and Defenseman.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The lines seem more like a 2A, 2B, 2C kind of situation this year.

However, the truth is in the TOI, IMO, as well as the PP time.

And according to them, there is no doubt that Iginla's line is still the #1

Hudler was second in icetime after Iginla for forwards against Chicago. Then Tanguay, Glencross, Cervenka, all 20+. Not a huge difference.

Stempniak and Cammalleri had ~18, Stajan and Backlund had ~15. Jackman-Jones-Comeau got ~5.

Sounds okay to me, especially considering that Iginla is one of the bigger bodies we have to put out there.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Standing Pat for Nat(e)?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Itse

Bouwmeester is just starting to look good, now is not the time to trade him. Plus a defenseman is not old at 29.

Jay Bouwmeester @ $6.68M cap hit playing 24 mins a game, getting slightly less shifts than Giordano and just slightly more than Wideman, make him expendable in my opinion.

With Brodie being able to skate very well and move the puck wisely and wideman being easily our best defender. Finding a more physical and cost effective defenceman while adding a top 60 pick, would be a smart move.

Remember to sell high, and this is about as high as Bouw will get. Im not saying hes useless. Just not cost effective and we could turn one asset in to plenty.

Dont forget, He whiffed the puck while trying to make a routine up and out and then let Statsny go to the front on the game winner against Colorado.

he has shown moments of brilliance, but hes also shown moments of same ol' same ol'.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I'd hope you'd get at least a 1st for Tanguay...

You would be doing just that, Hoping. To a contender, perhaps a first. But I think a 2nd and a serviceable young roster player is more likely. But then again, what is more valuable? I would think if you can get a NHL ready young player and a 2nd, thats a win win in this draft. Better than a 20-30 first IMO.

[Tinordi]

Doubtful Tanguay gets you a first rounder.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames are out I would want the following players shopped:
Iginla
Bouwmeester
Kipper
Cammy


Guys I would keep would be the Czechs, Gio, Glencross, Tanguay

Now everyone would have a price but you can't totally burn it to the ground or you end up like the Oil. You need good vets around and Tangs, Glennie, Gio all have good contracts. Wideman, Hudler are likely going nowhere and Cervenka is an intriguing player they can keep after the season. Backlund, Sven, Brodie also shouldn't be moved

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Doubtful Tanguay gets you a first rounder.

How not?

Tanguay has averaged a 67 point pace the last 2 seasons. He is absolutely the kind of player that gets you a 1st rounder. Gaustad got a first. Fisher got a first.

You get 2nd rounders for players like Stempniak.

What kind of 67 point player doesn't get you a 1st round pick?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How not?

Tanguay has averaged a 67 point pace the last 2 seasons. He is absolutely the kind of player that gets you a 1st rounder.

You get 2nd rounders for players like Stempniak.

Consistancy issues. His time in Montreal and Tampa hurt him IMO.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Consistancy issues. His time in Montreal and Tampa hurt him IMO.

How did his time in Montreal hurt him? Only the ignorant believe that.

Tanguay was on a point/game pace before he got injured in Montreal. He returned and was not 100%.

And yeah, he had a bad season in Tampa. One bad season in his career. Looks to me like it had more to do with being on an awful team with an awful coach.

If Tanguay doesn't get you a 1st round pick, I'll eat my shoe.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

Standing Pat for Nat(e)?

[magicpixels]

You don't blow it up. There are a key few select players you trade and JBO Isn't one.

You'd be looking at Kiper, Iggy and possibly Cammy.

I'm highly doubtful we get a 1st round pick for Cammy with the way he's playing.

I trade Iginla to Philly to hopefully get somebody like Schenn back. They are going to be desperate soon enough to make deals to make the playoffs.

Trade Kipper to Toronto, NYI or even washington for a 1st plus prospects.

People need to lose the emotional value of some players. Iggy's time has come and gone. I can just see it when he's 38 years old and we all still expect the guy to score 30 goals.

I said this before I say it again. Good chance we are 10-14 points out by February 15th at which point management should start to get serious.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

How not?

Tanguay has averaged a 67 point pace the last 2 seasons. He is absolutely the kind of player that gets you a 1st rounder. Gaustad got a first. Fisher got a first.

You get 2nd rounders for players like Stempniak.

What kind of 67 point player doesn't get you a 1st round pick?

A 34-year-old who has a one-dimensional game. And those 67 points are playing first line minutes on a line with Iginla. There are very few teams in the league where a 35-36 year old Tanguay slots into the top line.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Any fan who wants to lose is no fan at all.

I totally agree 100%. I dont care how $h1*** your team, tanking is not acceptable and unprofessional. If i am paying big bucks to watch the game, i would be so unhappy and will demand a refund. Flames organization have more class than that..

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by RobDoupe

A 34-year-old who has a one-dimensional game. And those 67 points are playing first line minutes on a line with Iginla. There are very few teams in the league where a 35-36 year old Tanguay slots into the top line.

Tanguay kills penalties and is just fine defensively. He's not a stud, but no, he's not a liability.

He could easily line up anywhere in the Penguins top 6 and produce at a point per game rate.

[magicpixels]

Originally Posted by RobDoupe

A 34-year-old who has a one-dimensional game. And those 67 points are playing first line minutes on a line with Iginla. There are very few teams in the league where a 35-36 year old Tanguay slots into the top line.

Really?

Iginla - Briere - Giroux

Hartness - Courtier - Tanguay

Again it's an upgrade for Philly. It's been pointed out by a few analysts now that after Giroux it thins out. If we can get Schenn + back I would trade Iggy and Tangs to them.

C'mon people really look at it from the outside.

Trade 4 big salaries in Iggy, Cammy, Kipper, Tangs. Frees up boat loads of cap space. We get a top 4 or top 5 pick to get a stud prospect, get at least one or two stud prospects back from trades.

Off season we have the money to go out and say sign somebody like Getzlaf who has Calgary connections.

We do this and our rebuild is a lot shorter than the pain we've seen in Edmonton, NYI, CBJ, Florida, etc.

[magicpixels]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I totally agree 100%. I dont care how $h1*** your team, tanking is not acceptable and unprofessional. If i am paying big bucks to watch the game, i would be so unhappy and will demand a refund. Flames organization have more class than that..

It's not tanking. You don't expect every team every year to compete. I look at it from an outside perspective and try to look at the greater picture from the organization standpoint.

Ask yourself do you want a decade of pain like we had during the young guns era or do you want to try and do a quick and less painful mini reload of players.