General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I think the comment above about the mental perception is apt.

With a good ring road, it wouldn't take me much longer to get to an arena on the north edge of Calgary - from the deep south - than to get to downtown. But the mental perception of going out of town would affect some people.

More importantly, I can't imagine the transit options to get from Scottsdale to Glendale are all that great. If you don't have a car, you're probably SOL. But that is an assumption Bouw or Enoch can clarify for me.

That is an excellent point that I forgot.

Good transit access is vital (and I believe strongly that the Flames' new building should have train access right into the building).

I can tell you that there is no public transit from north Scottsdale (though there is no public transit from NS to anywhere).

I don't know what it's like from downtown Phx or downtown Scottsdale (or anywhere else for that matter).

But I do think that public transit access is a problem and a failure for the location.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And another point (vs Calgary in particular, but it applies to every arena that I have been to)...

There is way more parking right at the arena. The parking could not be more convenient. You turn off the freeway and drive up to the building (which has available parking for football, so for Yotes games, it's a breeze)

For a Flames game, I park many times further away - despite the fact that it is winter here.

I simply refuse to accept the argument that the jobing.com arena is inconvenient. I find it to be quite convenient - or at least less painful - compared to other arenas I've been to.

Everyone criticized Ottawa too, for building their arena where they did, but the few times I have been to a game it has been great. Right off the highway, parking right next to the arena for cheap (at the time, don't know now).

Yeah it took a few minutes extra to leave with everyone leaving but I would imagine that is true for most sporting events - any time you introduce hundreds or thousands of vehicles at around the same things are going to slow down.

[Daradon]

So no announcement yet?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is an excellent point that I forgot.

Good transit access is vital (and I believe strongly that the Flames' new building should have train access right into the building).

I can tell you that there is no public transit from north Scottsdale (though there is no public transit from NS to anywhere).

I don't know what it's like from downtown Phx or downtown Scottsdale (or anywhere else for that matter).

But I do think that public transit access is a problem and a failure for the location.

If there is any sense of public transit at all, I would imagine a hub and spoke idea. From the suburbs into downtown Phoenix. So any transit users in this situation would have to go from their community, into Phoenix, transfer, and go down to Glendale. The ring road highway is but a dream for them.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ped

Everyone criticized Ottawa too, for building their arena where they did, but the few times I have been to a game it has been great. Right off the highway, parking right next to the arena for cheap (at the time, don't know now).

Yeah it took a few minutes extra to leave with everyone leaving but I would imagine that is true for most sporting events - any time you introduce hundreds or thousands of vehicles at around the same things are going to slow down.

Personally, I never understood why people drive into madhouses like that. I always just park and ride no matter where I live.. which is another downside of suburban arenas.

I do know people in Ottawa who do not go to games often because of the arena location, so my gut feeling is that it does have a negative impact to a degree even there.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If there is any sense of public transit at all, I would imagine a hub and spoke idea. From the suburbs into downtown Phoenix. So any transit users in this situation would have to go from their community, into Phoenix, transfer, and go down to Glendale. The ring road highway is but a dream for them.

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Personally, I never understood why people drive into madhouses like that. I always just park and ride no matter where I live.. which is another downside of suburban arenas.

I do know people in Ottawa who do not go to games often because of the arena location, so my gut feeling is that it does have a negative impact to a degree even there.

Yup. I don't think there is any question that a lack of public transit is an issue for the Jobing.com

Though I have never heard that complaint in reference to the Cardinals

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yup. I don't think there is any question that a lack of public transit is an issue for the Jobing.com

Though I have never heard that complaint in reference to the Cardinals

Probably because NFL fans are only making eight trips a year instead of 41.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Personally, I never understood why people drive into madhouses like that. I always just park and ride no matter where I live.. which is another downside of suburban arenas.

I do know people in Ottawa who do not go to games often because of the arena location, so my gut feeling is that it does have a negative impact to a degree even there.

I've only been to one game in Ottawa, so my experience is limited, but that location is terrible, particularly with public transit.

[landshark]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

I drive from the heart of Downtown at 3rd ave and roosevelt from work to Jobing.com for games all the time. It takes at max 30 minutes at peak rush hour unless there's a major accident.

The heart of downtown is not the issue. It's the people coming from Scottsdale, Tempe, Mesa, Chandler and Gilbert have to go across the entire Phoenix area to get to Glendale.

I went to a few games downtown in the other arena. THAT area is centrally located and easy to get to and a fun place to hang out. If only the team and PHO were able to get a a plan on a downtown venue, I don't think we'd be having this discussion today. I went to the playoff games in 2002 and it was an absolute blast (especially since SJ won both games).

[troutman]

The Suns are downtown, and are 25th in NBA attendance.

[Brannigans Law]

Phoenix and Arizona in general are tough markets for pro sports teams.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Originally Posted by valo403

I've only been to one game in Ottawa, so my experience is limited, but that location is terrible, particularly with public transit.

The 67's moved to Scotiabank this year while their arena is being renovated. Their weeknight attendance has plummeted from what I have seen, although they are still getting good attendance on weekends.

To be honest, I don't mind the trip on transit there. They have really improved transit to Scotiabank over the past year with buses going there all day (although that's obviously nothing compared to most arenas with LRT or subway connections). It takes me half an hour to get there on transit from downtown, and I always have fun conversations with heavily intoxicated Senators fans. However, I may make it out to more games if I could walk instead! It would also be nice to be able to go for a drink right after the game. However, it is the only arena I've been to where you can stumble out and buy a car.

[Ryan Coke]

I'm in Scottsdale down there and it is 45 mins going home with virtually no traffic and going fairly fast. It is a good hour (leave by 6) with traffic going there.

In Calgary it is 30 mins from the Deep South.

It isn't the worst location, but when demographically much of the money is in Scottsdale and the east side of the city, and it seems many of he northern migrants (from the northern US, as well as seasonal Canadians) are on the opposite side of the city, it does make it hard to do that drive anywhere near 40 times a year.

It's not the only problem by any stretch, but it sure isn't helping.

[SuperMatt18]

Only been to one game out in Ottawa but for me public transit was not too bad. They did a decent job of routing buses to the arena for the game and having plenty available for the people leaving. However that was for a one off situation.

I could see how being a season ticket holder for that team could be brutal having to go through that process 41 nights a year.

[Brannigans Law]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Only been to one game out in Ottawa but for me public transit was not too bad. They did a decent job of routing buses to the arena for the game and having plenty available for the people leaving. However that was for a one off situation.

I could see how being a season ticket holder for that team could be brutal having to go through that process 41 nights a year.

I've been to a lot of NHL buildings and Scotiabank Place in Ottawa is by far the most inconvenient to get to. It's almost criminal how they built that thing in the middle of no where.

[Mccree]

Scott Burnside‏@ESPN_Burnside
Barring dramatic, last-minute infusion of cash Greg Jamison won't meet Jan. 31 deadline to maintain lease agreement with City of Glendale.
Retweeted by James Mirtle

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Mccree

Scott Burnside‏@ESPN_Burnside
Barring dramatic, last-minute infusion of cash Greg Jamison won't meet Jan. 31 deadline to maintain lease agreement with City of Glendale.
Retweeted by James Mirtle

Good, can we finally move this team out of there for the good of the NHL? Enough is enough.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Mike Sunnucks (Phoenix Business Journal) has been wrong on this story so many times, it's crazy. One of these days I'd love to put together a link to how many times he wrote an article saying the deal was going to close "soon" or "in two weeks".

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

I'm in Scottsdale down there and it is 45 mins going home with virtually no traffic and going fairly fast. It is a good hour (leave by 6) with traffic going there.

In Calgary it is 30 mins from the Deep South.

It isn't the worst location, but when demographically much of the money is in Scottsdale and the east side of the city, and it seems many of he northern migrants (from the northern US, as well as seasonal Canadians) are on the opposite side of the city, it does make it hard to do that drive anywhere near 40 times a year.

It's not the only problem by any stretch, but it sure isn't helping.

A friend of mine worked at TPC Scottsdale a couple years ago. I guess they can get free Coyotes tickets (through the course) whenever they want but he only ever went to one game because "the rink is in the middle of ####ing nowhere"

Hard market made even more difficult because they built the arena on the wrong side of the valley.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

A friend of mine worked at TPC Scottsdale a couple years ago. I guess they can get free Coyotes tickets (through the course) whenever they want but he only ever went to one game because "the rink is in the middle of ####ing nowhere"

Hard market made even more difficult because they built the arena on the wrong side of the valley.

Did he ever go to football games?