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d_phaneuf · 01-22-2013, 08:05 PM

A skill player was poor playing 4th line minutes on a bad team.... I am shocked

he's at almost a PPG in the AHL this year

he has a lot more value than what is being talked about by most people here

Heavy Jack · 01-22-2013, 08:10 PM

They had no business playing him in a role he couldn't excel at or play his style of game. You have to put your young prospects into the positions they project to be otherwise your stunting their growth which Nino is a pretty good example of. He should have been playing at the very least 3rd line minutes with limited PP time, NYI should not be surprised at the request and I can only hope Sven and him are talking right now. He would be a big addition!

EddyBeers · 01-22-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Theres no way NYI gets the return OTT gave up for Turris. No way....

3rd round pick only or a fourth and a prospect not drafted in the last two drafts.

Overpayment, we should flip the 7th we got for Karlsson.

Savvy27 · 01-22-2013, 08:14 PM

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

indes · 01-22-2013, 08:20 PM

Nope. Gaudreau is on the upswing right now, too big of a risk IMO but the values there

Heavy Jack · 01-22-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

No.

Mitch · 01-22-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

Yes.

dammage79 · 01-22-2013, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

No, maybe a bigger package that included De Haan or Strome maybe.

Miniac · 01-22-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

No thanks.

Heavy Jack · 01-22-2013, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitch

Yes.

There is just no way you let a kid as explosive as Gaudreau go, his potential ceiling is just too high to trade. I like Nino, I really do, has put up great numbers everywhere except the Islanders, but I would be extremely pissed if the Flames dealt Johnny Gaudreau for anyone at this point. Brodie, Baertschi and Gaudreau are all untouchables IMO.

EddyBeers · 01-22-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

No, but that is because I think that Gaudreau is going to be a special player. The last guy to do the type of stuff that he is doing at his age in college hockey was Paul Kariya.

As a frame of reference, he is outproducing Derek Stepan at the same age, Colin Wilson, Nathan Gerbe, Brian Boyle, TJ Oshie, etc.

edit: the last guy to really do what he is doing in college at such a young age was Jonathan Toews or Phil Kessel. But neither of those guys ever came close to 2 PPG in a season in their college careers, although they both were slightly younger than Gaudreau is this year.

H2SO4(aq) · 01-22-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

no thanks. why sacrifice youth for youth? get rid of one of the older guys, or dont bother

Mitch · 01-22-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

There is just no way you let a kid as explosive as Gaudreau go, his potential ceiling is just too high to trade. I like Nino, I really do, has put up great numbers everywhere except the Islanders, but I would be extremely pissed if the Flames dealt Johnny Gaudreau for anyone at this point. Brodie, Baertschi and Gaudreau are all untouchables IMO.

I love Gaudreau but Nino is a very gifted offensive player who has the luxury of having good size to add to that, and he's a right wing.

Gaudreau is great but there is a huge risk involved with him because there's still a slim chance he makes it to the NHL as an impact player. If Nino played in the WHL last year like he should have he would be considered a top prospect. He bring elements that the flames need and that Gaudreau just does not possess. No knock on Gaudreau, he possesses offensive elements that Nino does not possess.

Try looking at it in the Islanders stand-point. Does trading Nino for Gaudreau make any sense at all?

Ped · 01-22-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

lmao @ people actually thinking Neiderreiter has more value than Bouwmeester.. Dream on fellas, dream on.

Not all that inconceivable really.

Bouwmeester has, arguably peaked, and at his cap hit would be hard to absorb. Niederreiter is younger, cheaper, and has more potential at this point.

Potential is better than smooth skating.

GreenLantern2814 · 01-22-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

I would trade Gaudreau if the right players were coming back, but I wouldn't do it for Niederreiter.

EDIT: I should clarify, if we're getting an established star player, then I'd be okay with it, but I'd still prefer to see the dome packed with #13s and #47s for the next decade.

That said, a player like Niederreiter, a big, strong skilled winger, is a huge need for this team. But realistically, it's still fourth (or third) on a list of needs behind center, defense, and a #1 goalie replacement.

Drafting Seth Jones will go a long way to fixing one need.

Brodie-Gio
Jones-Wideman
Breen-Scuderi

The Fonz · 01-22-2013, 08:53 PM

I would do Horak + a 2nd.

Would probably take Backlund + a 2nd though, or more.

Southside · 01-22-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I would trade Gaudreau if the right players were coming back, but I wouldn't do it for Niederreiter.

EDIT: I should clarify, if we're getting an established star player, then I'd be okay with it, but I'd still prefer to see the dome packed with #13s and #47s for the next decade.

That said, a player like Niederreiter, a big, strong skilled winger, is a huge need for this team. But realistically, it's still fourth (or third) on a list of needs behind center, defense, and a #1 goalie replacement.

Drafting Seth Jones will go a long way to fixing one need.

Brodie-Gio
Jones-Wideman
Breen-Scuderi

Cammalleri and Sven?

kirant · 01-22-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Savvy27

Would you guys trade Gaudreau for Niederreiter?

Depends what's needed.

Niederreiter is the safer pick. He's going to be an NHLer. He has NHL size, skill, and can work as a top 9 forward with a strong ability to hit. The biggest thing he needs is some time to develop. That being said, I think his realistic end result is a player along the ability of Erik Cole.

Gaudreau is a special player, but still is a risk of bust. He has everything but size. The problem is that he needs to show, at each level, that he can handle the bigger, faster game. If he comes up though, he's could be a quality first line player.

I'd take Niederreiter if I were a GM, but Gaudreau if I knew they could reach their full potential.

Hunter7 · 01-22-2013, 10:42 PM

Nino has no leverage to demand a trade, which is why I expect Snow to ignore his trade demand. What's he gonna do? Hold his breath until he passes out?

I wouldn't mind something around Nino+ for PK Subban. Subban and Hamonic would make a great top pairing.

cowtown75 · 01-22-2013, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinordi

What did Turris end up returning?

That will be in the ballpark of what Neno returns.

Not sure about that one- Turris had more NHL experience and some nice flashes of brilliance, his numbers...meh- but Nino's experience and numbers look horrific compared to Turris'. That being said, I wouldn't mind the Flames taking a calculated risk on this guy.