Who would the Flames buyout on the 1 non-cap buy out

[Hunter7]

Originally Posted by kirant

On the thought of that cap-contract value difference...Kiprusoff to the Islanders e5

Isles are happy with Nabby in goal.

The media is saying the cap floor will be $43m.
The Isles cap is at $41m+ with with the isles looking for a 3rd pairing dman. Salvador passed on their offer and re-signed with NJ, just a couple of weeks before the lockout.

Ryan Strome ($1.7m) or Brock Nelson($2.9m) are also good bets to make the isles roster.

[Vinny01]

Am I mistaken I thought bonuses did not count against the cap in the new CBA. So a guy like Cervenka goes down to 800k I stead of 3.7M?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by moon

If that was even remotely true we would be much worse off than we already are.

Yet it is. Have a look at his play and numbers. He has been a total flop for his salary. You would think for such a supposed huge Flames fan you would be upset the team is paying a little under $7M a year for a guy who has a whiffle ball shot, can't hit, can't score, plays worse the later the season goes, and shows the emotion of a dead gopher. I will give him credit though, he does skate well. That's it.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Yet it is. Have a look at his play and numbers. He has been a total flop for his salary. You would think for such a supposed huge Flames fan you would be upset the team is paying a little under $7M a year for a guy who has a whiffle ball shot, can't hit, can't score, plays worse the later the season goes, and shows the emotion of a dead gopher. I will give him credit though, he does skate well. That's it.

If he has 0 offense and yet was better offensively then every Flame defenseman other than Giordano, that isn't good for the Flames. If he turns the puck over all the time and yet isn't nearly as bad as most if not all Flames defensemen in the bad turnovers department then we are in trouble.

There are plenty of other people to get upset about before Bouwmeester and as a huge Flames fan I also realize the albatross partner he was saddled with and forced to cover up for all the time.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by kirant

I never meant a free buyout. I meant one against cap, because of the low price or just let Kiprusoff retire (which I always thought was the intent of the contract...the last year at 1.5 always seemed like one Kiprusoff had intent of playing. Then again, I would have never expected him to age so well either)

Fair enough that he could be traded instead (which is always preferred over a buyout).

On the thought of that cap-contract value difference...Kiprusoff to the Islanders e5

What about a third possiblity. Buy him out and re-sign him. Buy him out for 1.5 million, his cap is off the books due to the amnesty. Re-sign him for league minimum for one year. Kipper gets his buyout plus the added bonus of the league minimum in salary. The Flames take about 4.5 million in cap space off the books....

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by blankall

What about a third possiblity. Buy him out and re-sign him. Buy him out for 1.5 million, his cap is off the books due to the amnesty. Re-sign him for league minimum for one year. Kipper gets his buyout plus the added bonus of the league minimum in salary. The Flames take about 4.5 million in cap space off the books....

Again, if you buy a player out, you can't sign him after that.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Again, if you buy a player out, you can't sign him after that.

Also, under the last CBA, any player who was bought out through a compliance buyout could not rejoin that team (through a re-signing, waiver claim, or trade) for the duration of the 2005-06 season.

[dino7c]

Wideman's PP point shot is exactly what the flames need if you ask me...Hudler was 2nd on the wings in goals...I would keep both of them. Get rid of players who have already failed in a flames uni. Besides this buyout is for next season, hopefully they get 48 games to show what they can do

[kyuss275]

Like most have said Stajan is on the top of the list. Can't argue with any other players mentioned so far ( there are a lot of players that i don't want on the flames), of course some seem like a stretch money wise ( Wideman).

I have liked a bunch of stuff that Feaster has done, but i think he made a huge mistake this summer signing guys just for the hope of sneaking into the playoffs and appeasing Iggy. They new that Iggy was non-comitted to re-signing with them so they should have traded him. They probably don't go out and get a Wideman or maybe even Hudler if that's the case. Now they are stuck with them for better or for worse.

Also they were trying to trade Bouw but were not offered what they thought was enough. I doubt they can get what was offerd before, a 2nd and D'Agostini. He is not a bad d-man, but i can't stand that he has no extra gear come crunch time.

[Voodooman]

With 2 buyouts, I think the complexion changes. If it was only 1, I don't think there was much question that it was going to be Stajan. The organization didn't like him before, and being the PA rep puts an even bigger target on your back.

But with 2, I think you'll potentially see a "fan favourite" go. 2 more years of Cammalleri at $6 mil and 4 more of Tanguay at $3.5 mil might be tough to swallow under the new cap scheme. My choice would be Tanguay, I think his best days are behind him, and he's realistically a 20 goal, 50 point guy at best.

The buyout I'm most looking forward to league-wide is Hainsey. A total plug, drastically overpaid at $4.5 million, with seemingly no appreciation for how good he had it. I'd love to see the owners show some solidarity and no team resigns him ever.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Voodooman

With 2 buyouts, I think the complexion changes. If it was only 1, I don't think there was much question that it was going to be Stajan. The organization didn't like him before, and being the PA rep puts an even bigger target on your back.

But with 2, I think you'll potentially see a "fan favourite" go. 2 more years of Cammalleri at $6 mil and 4 more of Tanguay at $3.5 mil might be tough to swallow under the new cap scheme. My choice would be Tanguay, I think his best days are behind him, and he's realistically a 20 goal, 50 point guy at best.

The buyout I'm most looking forward to league-wide is Hainsey. A total plug, drastically overpaid at $4.5 million, with seemingly no appreciation for how good he had it. I'd love to see the owners show some solidarity and no team resigns him ever.

The buy outs are for the start of the 2013/14 season when the cap drops as well. Cammalleri will be in his last year of contract as will Stajan,

Tanguay will have 3 years left as will Hudler.

How these guys play for the rest of the year is liable to determine who gets bought out.

If Iginla shows he has some miles left then some signifcant cap will need to be cleared

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The buy outs are for the start of the 2013/14 season when the cap drops as well. Cammalleri will be in his last year of contract as will Stajan,

Tanguay will have 3 years left as will Hudler.

How these guys play for the rest of the year is liable to determine who gets bought out.

If Iginla shows he has some miles left then some signifcant cap will need to be cleared

With the cap going down and iginla being 35, I can't see him getting more than 3/15 if he wants term. If he has a great year, I'm all for getting him back on a 1 or 2 year deal at 6 per.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Now that this is a reality, I hope Stajan goes. Maybe Bouwmeester after this season, I think his departure this season would be too big a hole to fill.

There are only 5 players currently under contract after next season, and I don't think any of them would be targets.

[sureLoss]

Kind of interesting Chicago Newspaper writer thinks Marian Hossa could be bought out using a compliance buy out

Tim Sassone ‏@TimSassone Definitely do. Might depend on what kind of season he has. “@bWalk01: @TimSassone You think Hossa could be a buyout possibility?”

[BigBird]

I say the flames should buyout Stajan he doesn't bring anything to the table but taking a young flames prospects spot in the lineup. The flames spent to much money on second tier players this summer while they would be better off this coming summer with a lot of players available due to teams shedding salary.

[Flash Walken]

Stajan, IMO, isn't on the radar for a buyout, despite the animosity on this board towards him.

He has value in a trade because of his sub-cap salary, ability to take a shift, win a draw, and contribute on the offensive side of the puck. He has value to the flames specifically for those reasons, and particularly because the flames are atrocious at centre. This can't be understated enough. Calgary subtracted a #1 centre without replacing him, and has an otherwise small and unconvincing group of out of position players and unproven or unprepared rookies/youngsters.

I'd buy out Wideman. Dollar, term, Ntc. Nope, nope, nope.

[jonesy]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Do you think it would be possible to use the clause to take on a bad contract from another team only to use your own buyout clause on them? Or might they make it contingent on only being allowed to buyout players that are currently on your roster?

So say you're the Canadiens who have multiple bad contracts plaguing your team. Could you say trade Kaberle to the Flames so they could use their one time buyout clause on him? That way the Flames might be able to acquire some decent prospects/picks for just buying out a player. That way this clause is more lucrative for the teams who don't have that one bad contract that needs to be bought out.

....and the cba circumention schemes begin..

[Vinny01]

Lecavilier is a possibility Tampa only has 15 guys signed at $57.5M for next season. If so I expect Feaster to be all over it

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lecavilier is a possibility Tampa only has 15 guys signed at $57.5M for next season. If so I expect Feaster to be all over it

Lecavilier seems like an obvious candidate from a cap perspective, and I fully understand the cap pressure they are under.

However, I just can't see the Tampa ownership cutting a cheque for $36M to watch a very good player walk away and play for another team.

To me, it makes way more sense to buy out Salo and Ohlund - same total cap hit as Vinny and they are more replacable.

[handgroen]

the following players are from what i can tell candidates to be bought out and definitely interest me

heatley
koivu
brier
hossa
havlat
Leino
Myers
erhoff
gorges
laich
green
liles
lecavelier
j. williams
franzen
martin
gleason
umberger
beachemin
gaustad
b. campbell