Who would the Flames buyout on the 1 non-cap buy out

[Sylvanfan]

Really starting next year, the Flames have to move away from Iginla and Kiprusoff whether they want to or not. If ownership really is willing to spend whatever they need to fix the team, they should buy out Wideman because it would get them long term cap flexibility. The team would have a pretty clean slate heading into the 2014 offseason if Kiprusoff, Cammalleri, Wideman, and Bouwmeesters contracts clear out.

[Tinordi]

Yup the Wideman term and NMC are the biggest drawbacks. Incredibly stupid contract to sign at the juncture the Flames were in this past offseason.

[dammage79]

It's widely speculated that signing wideman meant the end of Bouwmeesters tenure in CGY. If that is the case the Flames will have made a savings of 1.1 million in cap space. And we will probably get far better point production out of Wideman than we aever had with Bouwmeester.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Really starting next year, the Flames have to move away from Iginla and Kiprusoff whether they want to or not. If ownership really is willing to spend whatever they need to fix the team, they should buy out Wideman because it would get them long term cap flexibility. The team would have a pretty clean slate heading into the 2014 offseason if Kiprusoff, Cammalleri, Wideman, and Bouwmeesters contracts clear out.

I wouldn't rule out the entire thought of an entire goaltender change - Karlsson seems to be the odd man out, with Irving coming up and Ramo being Kiprusoff's heir apparent.

I don't see them buying out Wideman. Too many negative implications of the team if Wideman, Cervenka, or Hudler were bought out before even dressing a game. A clean slate would suggest that, but unless they know something we don't about a fire sale of short term expensive contracts, the extra cap wouldn't help much. I don't see many large expenditures in the Flames' cards right now (and have never been a fan of cap inefficient UFA signings, though that looks like half of Feaster's plans).

My prediction is that the Flames hold Iginla and Kiprusoff for next season, then buy out Kiprusoff's last year. They then try (and fail) to keep Irving one more year while replacing Kiprusoff with Ramo. Stajan is bought out without these cap implications. It's not a flexible solution at all, but with a log jam at centre at no good reason to keep Stajan (as well as Feaster's desire to rebuild the defense around speed, which is already Bouwmeester's stock), I don't see them taking the alternative of buying out Bouwmeester.

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's widely speculated that signing wideman meant the end of Bouwmeesters tenure in CGY. If that is the case the Flames will have made a savings of 1.1 million in cap space. And we will probably get far better point production out of Wideman than we aever had with Bouwmeester.

Yuck. I'd take Bouwmeester and all his "no emotion" play over Wideman. Point production is one thing, but even if we don't like Bouwmeester's positioning or timid play, it's not like Wideman's offense makes up for his horrid defense. That is, unless Giordano/Sarich now qualifies as a shutdown pairing.

[Vinny01]

No way the Flames buyout Kipper. He is very tradeable and extremely movable this summer with 1 year and 1.5M in money owed. Teams that are trying to hit the 45-50M cap floor are going to line up to take Kipper off Calgary's hands even if it is for 1 year. At worst the Flames should be able to get a 2nd + prospect but no need to use the Amnesty on him.

Bouwmeester is also a tradeable contract as is Cammalleri. The only truly unmovable deals are likely Stajan and Wideman. With Sven and possibly Gaudreau ready to play in 2013/2014 Hudler might be too expensive to be a 3rd line player but he should be tradeable if need be.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

No way the Flames buyout Kipper. He is very tradeable and extremely movable this summer with 1 year and 1.5M in money owed. Teams that are trying to hit the 45-50M cap floor are going to line up to take Kipper off Calgary's hands even if it is for 1 year. At worst the Flames should be able to get a 2nd + prospect but no need to use the Amnesty on him.

I never meant a free buyout. I meant one against cap, because of the low price or just let Kiprusoff retire (which I always thought was the intent of the contract...the last year at 1.5 always seemed like one Kiprusoff had intent of playing. Then again, I would have never expected him to age so well either)

Fair enough that he could be traded instead (which is always preferred over a buyout).

On the thought of that cap-contract value difference...Kiprusoff to the Islanders e5

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

No way the Flames buyout Kipper. He is very tradeable and extremely movable this summer with 1 year and 1.5M in money owed. Teams that are trying to hit the 45-50M cap floor are going to line up to take Kipper off Calgary's hands even if it is for 1 year. At worst the Flames should be able to get a 2nd + prospect but no need to use the Amnesty on him.

Bouwmeester is also a tradeable contract as is Cammalleri. The only truly unmovable deals are likely Stajan and Wideman. With Sven and possibly Gaudreau ready to play in 2013/2014 Hudler might be too expensive to be a 3rd line player but he should be tradeable if need be.

While I agree the Flames will not buy out Kipper. Unless Kipper extends his current contract there will be few teams willing to gamble and give you very much for Kipper in trade value. Don't get me wrong I truly think Kipper is one of the best goalies in the game today. However his trade value at it's highest was last trade deadline. That window has passed and it will be very insulting to the Flames and their fans to even listen to what teams would be willing to pay for Kipper now.

[Sylvanfan]

If the cap drops to 60 million, the floor also moves down too. So I don't know if the number of teams trying to reach the floor like there are with the cap at the number it's currently at. Although, Kiprusoff certainly would be a tradable commodity to one of those teams. The only way to ensure he plays that final year, would be to give him an extension. Otherwise, I would agree thatthere is significant risk he may just retire.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by moon

If they are going to buyout a contract they just signed I would hope it would be one of the bad ones like Wideman or Hudler.

why not let them play 1 game in a Flames uniform before crapping all over the players? I have no idea how you even call yourself a fan.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

why not let them play 1 game in a Flames uniform before crapping all over the players? I have no idea how you even call yourself a fan.

Maybe because we've seen many games of them in other uniforms to make opinions on what kind of players they are and what we think they may be worth?

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Maybe because we've seen many games of them in other uniforms to make opinions on what kind of players they are and what we think they may be worth?

So a player's game never changes in a different situation? Hudler has never been anywhere other than Detroit, I am not a fan of his signing but judging a signing before a game is played is sheer ignorance.

As for Wideman he will be a 2nd pairing defenseman that logs a boat load of PP minutes and bring s a big RH shot from the point. All things this team desperately needs. His salary is a result of the market, you can complain he is overpaid but that is the cost of signing a UFA.

But more than anything what is clear to me is that you and moon just always need something to complain about.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

So a player's game never changes in a different situation? Hudler has never been anywhere other than Detroit, I am not a fan of his signing but judging a signing before a game is played is sheer ignorance.

At Hudler's and Wideman's age and games played a player's game rarely changes and going from a stacked team like Detroit where he benefits from good teammates and great coaching doesn't seem like he is going to get a lot better with weak coaching and lesser teammates.

As for Wideman he will be a 2nd pairing defenseman that logs a boat load of PP minutes and bring s a big RH shot from the point. All things this team desperately needs. His salary is a result of the market, you can complain he is overpaid but that is the cost of signing a UFA.

He also brings 0 defensive ability, a butter soft game, turnovers galore and very questionable consistency. All things this team desperately don't need.

But more than anything what is clear to me is that you and moon just always need something to complain about.

What's clear to me is that you make up opinions on posters based on what you want to be true and don't worry about what they actually say. Then post garbage comments like this that add nothing to the thread or the board in general.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I have no idea how you even call yourself a fan.

I call myself a fan because I love the Flames, support them win or lose, spend a lot of time talking about them on a message board, have season tickets, watch them on TV, own a lot of Flames jersey's and other merchandize wtc. Probably a lot of the same things that you also think makes you a fan.

Sorry that I don't hold the exact same views as you, didn't realize I had to to consider myself a Flames fan.

[Tinordi]

A fan is someone who unquestioningly and blindly follows a team, covers up its warts, overrates its prospects and derisively and irrationally condescends on rivals. Anyone who questions the team, the management and players is not a fan.

[Machiavelli]

We (kind of) saw Bouwmeester play for years; he looked to be a defenseman that would jump up into the play more than once in a blue moon. Look how that turned out.

Coaches and teammates make a difference.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by moon

He also brings 0 defensive ability, a butter soft game, turnovers galore and very questionable consistency. All things this team desperately don't need.

Change the defensive to offensive and you just described Jay Bouwmeester.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Could we at least see Wideman play for the Flames before buying him out? Yeesh.

I'd wager he'll be one of your least favourite players by seasons end.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Change the defensive to offensive and you just described Jay Bouwmeester.

Don't worry, we gots both!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Don't worry, we gots both!

Sadly this is true.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Change the defensive to offensive and you just described Jay Bouwmeester.

If that was even remotely true we would be much worse off than we already are.