Connecticut School Shooting

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...#ixzz2FVObHNAH

Piers Morgan is slowly becoming an American hero. Thank god someone is willing on national tv to call these gun nuts on their bizarre bs.

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I've been watching him every night, and I find it funny that it takes a foreignor to get absolutely pissed off about all of this and call people out.

He seems to be the rallying voice to get a movement on the go.

Some of the gun fanatics he's had on and their reasoning is just unbelievable.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

When I grew up I played with toy guns all freaking day and if I pretended to shoot it most of the time it was at other kids I was with. Hours of gun play by young boys pretending to shoot at each other. In the 50's and 60's the heroes were men who shot guns and westerns were the hits of the day.
There was no finger pointing at this type of play and there was more killing when these kids grew up. The glorification of the Bonnie and Clyde's and Capone's are no different today either.
But todays kids play violent video games and the killing has dropped.

So what is different?

Lots of things, which is why you cannot solely lay the blame on any single factor. You can't blame gun culture, like many are doing here, without understanding all the factors that have contributed to that culture.

Media shapes peoples minds, doesn't matter if it is movies, tv, music, or video games.

Do I think media makes people grab a gun and walk into a school and start shooting people? Of course not, but you can't deny there is an impact.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Piers Morgan ...the guy who has his own armed body guards calling on Americans to give up their gun rights? Why doesn't that clown go back to the UK where the slaves are already disarmed?

The solution to stop mass shootings at schools is so blindingly obvious. Mass shootings always happen in gun free zones like malls, schools etc.

Israel used to have problems with psychotic Palestinians walking into jewish schools and killing kids. Their solution was to arm the schools/teachers. Maybe teachers should be mandated to use some of this "professional development" time to take firearm training courses?

Also, why doesn't the media tell their audience how all these mass shooters have mental health problems and their prescription meds cause them to snap? They wouldn't want to lose add revenue to those drug companies now would they? I think this has a bigger effect than video games.

[Montana Moe]

Originally Posted by Plett25

Aren't the National Guards under the control of the Governor of the State?

If the Federal government became "tyrannical" there could potentially be 50 small armies in opposition.

Theoretically, yes. But when they're being sent to fight in foreign lands under the American flag, I wouldn't count on them to be relied upon as opposition to the federal government.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Piers Morgan ...the guy who has his own armed body guards calling on Americans to give up their gun rights? Why doesn't that clown go back to the UK where the slaves are already disarmed?

The solution to stop mass shootings at schools is so blindingly obvious. Mass shootings always happen in gun free zones like malls, schools etc.

Israel used to have problems with psychotic Palestinians walking into jewish schools and killing kids. Their solution was to arm the schools/teachers. Maybe teachers should be mandated to use some of this "professional development" time to take firearm training courses?

Also, why doesn't the media tell their audience how all these mass shooters have mental health problems and their prescription meds cause them to snap? They wouldn't want to lose add revenue to those drug companies now would they? I think this has a bigger effect than video games.

oh lord........where to start?

Ok, first please expand on:

slaves are already disarmed?

Next:

Israel used to have problems with psychotic Palestinians walking into jewish schools and killing kids. Their solution was to arm the schools/teachers. Maybe teachers should be mandated to use some of this "professional development" time to take firearm training courses?

Don't you think the US should aim for a higher standard? This thinking is along the same lines as putting a cork on the end of the fork you keep stabbing into you eye.

Finally, please explain this:

their prescription meds cause them to snap?

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Lots of things, which is why you cannot solely lay the blame on any single factor. You can't blame gun culture, like many are doing here, without understanding all the factors that have contributed to that culture.

Media shapes peoples minds, doesn't matter if it is movies, tv, music, or video games.

Do I think media makes people grab a gun and walk into a school and start shooting people? Of course not, but you can't deny there is an impact.

Why don't all these other factors affect Canadians like they do Americans?

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

People beginning to call for more "God" in the classroom, now.

Hmmm, that must be what Japan, Australia, and the UK are doing to prevent gun violence in schools.

Im still not sure how to react to all the idiot religious friends i have on facebook with their posts that reference this more God in school idea. Until now I have ignored them, but Im becoming more tempted to respond. Defriending them altogether is a lame approach imo.

The really amusing part of it all being that most kids I have known that have gone to strict Christian schools come out incredibly rebellious and angry.

I did respond to someone who made reference to the number of abortions that occur yearly in the US, asking why Obama doesn't shed a tear at that... unbelievable

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Piers Morgan ...the guy who has his own armed body guards calling on Americans to give up their gun rights? Why doesn't that clown go back to the UK where the slaves are already disarmed?

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Morgan does not have armed body guards.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am always surpirsed that a group (the NRA) that has a membership of 0.01% of the US population is so strong.

You might want the move that decimal place over to the right a bit.

311 million Americans
4.3 million NRA members.

= 1.4%

[Flabbibulin]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Why don't all these other factors affect Canadians like they do Americans?

They probably do. Canadian nut jobs and criminals simply don't have the same type of access to firearms.

The presence of guns don't turn people into criminals and nuts- they are simply a lot of nut jobs and criminal's favorite toy.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The solution to stop mass shootings at schools is so blindingly obvious. Mass shootings always happen in gun free zones like malls, schools etc.

Call me crazy but the blindingly obvious thing is malls, schools etc are where there are MASSES of people. Sort of the prerequisite for a mass shooting.

Need I remind you that there were 13 peoples killed and 29 injured on an freaking army base 3 years ago. The perpetrator fired 214 bullets in less than 10 minutes...and he was actually intentionally aiming at soldiers (not civilians) and not just shooting randomly at everyone. He was able to shoot for 10 minutes on a base where guns are close at hand to nearly everybody before someone took him down.

People having guns isn't going to stop a mass shooting, especially one where the guy is intending to end his life afterwards. MAYBE it would have reduced the death toll in the latest incident from 20 to 10 or something but how is that OK? Perhaps not providing easy access to guns that can shoot hundreds of rounds in minutes would be a better solution. Or at least a major part of the solution. Make these idiots jump through hoops to try to get a gun in the first place and hopefully pushing them to the illegal gun market where there is a much better chance you stop them in their tracks before the incident occurs.

Criminal on criminal gun violence is not going to be stopped by increased gun control in all likelihood. That ship may have sailed or at least will take a long time to get that aspect under control. Then again if idiots want to shoot other idiots during the course of "business" I'm not that concerned. I most concerned with the idiot that is shooting masses of innocents and that can certainly be controlled.

God in the classroom...it's the typical evangelical cry when anything happens. Very large contingent that feels God concerns himself with everyday goings on of everybody. I don't think some of these guys realize how close they are in belief system compared to Westboro.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Piers Morgan ...the guy who has his own armed body guards calling on Americans to give up their gun rights? Why doesn't that clown go back to the UK where the slaves are already disarmed?

The solution to stop mass shootings at schools is so blindingly obvious. Mass shootings always happen in gun free zones like malls, schools etc.

Israel used to have problems with psychotic Palestinians walking into jewish schools and killing kids. Their solution was to arm the schools/teachers. Maybe teachers should be mandated to use some of this "professional development" time to take firearm training courses?

Also, why doesn't the media tell their audience how all these mass shooters have mental health problems and their prescription meds cause them to snap? They wouldn't want to lose add revenue to those drug companies now would they? I think this has a bigger effect than video games.

I don't know how true this is to begin with, but to be honest, there's a huge difference between a small group of trained professionals carrying weapons for protection, and Joe Q Idiot with a temper problem being legally allowed to carry a handgun into whatever establishment he chooses.

Medications have a role in this, glorified violence has a role in this, the media's reaction has a role in this, the lack of mental health care access has a role in this. But a lot of other countries have the same issues with regards to media/prevalence of violence on TV and in video games/lots of people on psychiatric medications, but only one Westernized nation has the number of gun deaths. You honestly mean to tell me that the ease with which an American can arm themselves isn't part of the problem, when every study proves otherwise?

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Flabbibulin

They probably do. Canadian nut jobs and criminals simply don't have the same type of access to firearms.

The presence of guns don't turn people into criminals and nuts- they are simply a lot of nut jobs and criminal's favorite toy.

So the effect, which is really the main concern right now (obviously both are important, but I would rather get rid of the effect than the cause if faced with a prisoners dilemma), is that guns are the reason that so many more Americans than in any other western country find themselves dead.

Instead the US cracks down on the real culprits, singers who have the word die and young in the same title, the lack of god, the lack of guns to prevent further violence, video games, tv shows, etc. In that perverse world, if you cracked down on the first amendment but expanded the 2nd amendment so everyone was packing heat there would be less murders.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Surprised it took Mikey this long. Disappointed at the lack of conspiracy. Pharma Mikey, really? Tsk tsk.

[Knut]

Mikey's post actually made me want to punch out my computer screen.

No mention of the loss of life of all these children... just 4 paragraphs of ######ed ramblings of a nutjob.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

oh lord........where to start?

Ok, first please expand on:



Next:



Don't you think the US should aim for a higher standard? This thinking is along the same lines as putting a cork on the end of the fork you keep stabbing into you eye.

Finally, please explain this:

Really? Have people not figured out by now that mikey is either a massive troll or just lives in another reality entirely? Engaging him is an exercise in immense frustration and futility. If people stop responding to his nonsense, he will eventually go away.

[_Q_]

Yeah see the thing with cracking down on violent video games is, where does it end? OK so lets say after they successfully remove Call of Duty off the shelves another shooting happens. So you start removing violent movies and TV shows. So now we live in a happy society where nobody has access to simulated violence right? Well what about books, plays, operas and other types of performing arts with violence. So next mass shooting, you remove Macbeth, Crime and Punishment and Swan Lake since they're not really wholesome and can influence our children. Alright, so what happens if someone else goes loony and kills a bunch of children after that? Well we haven't stopped teaching about wars in school which were pretty violent. Let's stop teaching our children about WW2, since that was a horrible tragedy and you don't want young minds to be exposed to such violence. Soon you live in a sterilized bubble with armed guards everywhere and everyone packing heat. But hey, at least we preserved America's second amendment rights.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Really? Have people not figured out by now that mikey is either a massive troll or just lives in another reality entirely? Engaging him is an exercise in immense frustration and futility. If people stop responding to his nonsense, he will eventually go away.

I'm not so sure. It's a similar mentality to his that has allowed the gun culture in the US to continue unopposed. Maybe not the wider conspiracy stuff, but the idea that without guns we can't defend ourselves against government, that we need to arm the general populace to oppose the rest of the armed general populace, that foreign nations with stricter gun laws are "enslaved" . . .

I'd say mikey's views on this are probably closer to the reality of many Americans than our own as Canadians.

[polak]

Yeah I agree with HP.

I've seen posts just like that from some of my American friends on FB... Here's a good example:

GUN HISTORY
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounde...d up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 19
17, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

56 million defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control:

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.

You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people.

I didn't even know where to begin with such an idiotic post so I just left it alone.

[Mccree]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Piers Morgan ...the guy who has his own armed body guards calling on Americans to give up their gun rights? Why doesn't that clown go back to the UK where the slaves are already disarmed?

The solution to stop mass shootings at schools is so blindingly obvious. Mass shootings always happen in gun free zones like malls, schools etc.

Israel used to have problems with psychotic Palestinians walking into jewish schools and killing kids. Their solution was to arm the schools/teachers. Maybe teachers should be mandated to use some of this "professional development" time to take firearm training courses?

Also, why doesn't the media tell their audience how all these mass shooters have mental health problems and their prescription meds cause them to snap? They wouldn't want to lose add revenue to those drug companies now would they? I think this has a bigger effect than video games.

Perhaps their VERY strict gun control help alittle too

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/israel