Connecticut School Shooting

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Montana Moe

NSFW for racial epithets

Twitter is lively tonight: Take that ###### off the TV, we wanna watch football!

The hilarity of yelling for a black man to get off the screen so you can get back to watching the NFL.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Handguns/automatic weapons banned....fine, I'll move on to bolt action/lever action rifles and shotguns. Those are banned? Fine, now I'll use homemade explosivse etc....

Lets look at the WHOLE problem, not just part of it.

That argument fails.

Isn't it obvious that grabbing a gun from your house that your parents own, or buying a guy legally are both far easier, simpler and done on a whim than making your own bomb is? It should be pretty obvious.

Whenever I see that argument that gun deaths would still have been caused by bombs or w/e I have to shake my head. Guns are ready at hand for many Americans. Bombs require research, acquisition, and frankly aren't realistically going to be made by most of the population at any point in their lives.

The issue is that guns are easy to acquire and extremely deadly. Bombs are not anywhere as easy to acquire or make. Knives aren't as deadly.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Yeah you got it Moe. I mean you can't be for gun rights but against free speech. Sure Westboro are literally the biggest trolls of them all, but unfortunetly that is their right. I honestly wish gay people would just show up and counter-protest by being obscenely, flamboyantly fabulous.

[Minnie]

I'm absolutely ill to my stomach. A page set up to help the family of Emilie, whose picture was posted on here, is being overrun by trolls and a$$h0les, because the family posted a picture of Obama with her two younger sisters and some of the siblings of the other children. I'm weeping at the disgusting crap being posted. I've been posting as much as I can, in the way of positive remarks and the names of the lost but the hatred......omg, the hatred. *crying*

[vektor]

While the argument over gun control and the 2nd amendment is sure to have legitimate points from both sides people need to realize that the American populace are not going to give up their guns, no matter what. Unless the government wants to start a civil war they need to take some other angle at this than gun control, like limiting gun production and attempting to improve the overall mental health of the nation. There's just no point in talking about gun control because it's not going to happen.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by vektor

While the argument over gun control and the 2nd amendment is sure to have legitimate points from both sides people need to realize that the American populace are not going to give up their guns, no matter what. Unless the government wants to start a civil war they need to take some other angle at this than gun control, like limiting gun production and attempting to improve the overall mental health of the nation. There's just no point in talking about gun control because it's not going to happen.

no, but why not eliminate clips bigger than 10 rounds? Why not remove fragmentation bullets from public sale? Why not ban assault rifles? Why not increase the cost of bullets so people don't keep hundreds of rounds in their homes.

This isn't about banning guns. Its about making these mass shootings more difficult.

The idea of some 20 year old kid emptying well over 100 hollow point bullets from a civilian version of an M-16 rifle in a matter of minutes should give people pause.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by nik-

The hilarity of yelling for a black man to get off the screen so you can get back to watching the NFL.

On twitter they were yelling about NBC not airing Faith Hill's intro tonight as well.

[saskflames69]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

On twitter they were yelling about NBC not airing Faith Hill's intro tonight as well.

Those heartless SOBs.

[Cheerio]

Don't know if this is where to post it but apparently there was a shooting at a movie theatre in San Antonio tonight at the Mayan Theatre. Apparently only 2 injured

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Don't know if this is where to post it but apparently there was a shooting at a movie theatre in San Antonio tonight at the Mayan Theatre. Apparently only 2 injured

2 injured? In America they call that a minor disturbance, and the movie keeps rolling.

[CaptainCrunch]

Watching the news if sounds like the mother was a little off and a hard core survivalist who horded food and guns. Her postwoman described her as a little off.

I'm wondering if the 2012 end of the world stuff and a profoundly disturbed mind caused this.

[Rudee]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

A very moving speech by the President.

The speech was genuine, but Obama wiping away non-existent tears was lame.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Rudee

The speech was genuine, but Obama wiping away non-existent tears was lame.

What? You know that people can feel tears in their eyes before they become evident to those around them, eh?

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by Rudee

The speech was genuine, but Obama wiping away non-existent tears was lame.

Piss off.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

That argument fails.

Isn't it obvious that grabbing a gun from your house that your parents own, or buying a guy legally are both far easier, simpler and done on a whim than making your own bomb is? It should be pretty obvious.

Whenever I see that argument that gun deaths would still have been caused by bombs or w/e I have to shake my head. Guns are ready at hand for many Americans. Bombs require research, acquisition, and frankly aren't realistically going to be made by most of the population at any point in their lives.

The issue is that guns are easy to acquire and extremely deadly. Bombs are not anywhere as easy to acquire or make. Knives aren't as deadly.

A Bartlesville High School student is in custody on charges he plotted to bomb and shoot students at the campus auditorium on the same day that 26 people were shot and killed at an elementary school in Connecticut.

http://www.ksn.com/news/national/sto...I6lPnzyww.cspx

Ya...massive argument failure I realize guns are the first choice, ya that's obvious. When that first choice is gone is what I'm getting at.

The article doesn't say if he had actually made any but clearly it was on his mind. The Colorado bomber had his house wired with explosives. Why do you feel it's so hard to make up a few pipe bombs?

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

http://www.ksn.com/news/national/sto...I6lPnzyww.cspx

Ya...massive argument failure I realize guns are the first choice, ya that's obvious. When that first choice is gone is what I'm getting at.

The article doesn't say if he had actually made any but clearly it was on his mind. The Colorado bomber had his house wired with explosives. Why do you feel it's so hard to make up a few pipe bombs?

So... there's no evidence that he was able to make a bomb. Kind of supports his argument more than yours.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by jhunt223

So... there's no evidence that he was able to make a bomb. Kind of supports his argument more than yours.

Ignoring the Colorado shooter part? He had no issues making some.

There are so many explosives in the man’s apartment that bomb experts expect to spend the next several days going through the building.

1st article states that was part of his plan which kinda indicates it's already being considered does it not?

On the Columbine shooters:

Using instructions acquired upon the Internet, Harris and Klebold constructed a total of 99 improvised explosive devices of various designs and sizes.

Doesn't seem like they had much trouble either.

[jayswin]

FFS, yes, you are correct. If guns are banned people could still kill other people by other means. So let's just not even attempt to change the gun culture in the US.

[jhunt223]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Ignoring the Colorado shooter part? He had no issues making some.

1st article states that was part of his plan which kinda indicates it's already being considered does it not?

I responded before you edited your post to include that. But to that point... the Colorado shooter was in some prestigious university program and while he apparently wasn't excelling in it, it still required him to be pretty intelligent to be accepted in the first place.

Not all of these guys are going to be able to figure out how to wire up bombs. It takes time. Half of them would probably blow them selves up in the process. I don't buy that these mass killers would just switch to other weapons either. We would already be seeing bombings every once in a while if that was the case. It's a silly ****ing argument really.

[vektor]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

no, but why not eliminate clips bigger than 10 rounds? Why not remove fragmentation bullets from public sale? Why not ban assault rifles? Why not increase the cost of bullets so people don't keep hundreds of rounds in their homes.

This isn't about banning guns. Its about making these mass shootings more difficult.

The idea of some 20 year old kid emptying well over 100 hollow point bullets from a civilian version of an M-16 rifle in a matter of minutes should give people pause.

If that's your point then I agree, with all of it. I agree, if it's built for efficiently killing people it shouldn't be publicly available.

I still think though that it's the mental health of society that is at the core of the problem, if any of us wanted we could easily make weapons capable of killing large amounts of people but we don't because we don't want to. With $50 any one of us could do what this guy did (or worse), it's not a matter of weaponization.

In the U.S. there is an epidemic of mental health issues, which in my opinion stems from unhealthy lifestyles, social isolation and the overabundance of pharmaceutical psychiatric drugs. Humans are like an equation, you push them enough and they will snap. The mind pushed into isolation starts to bend, if you spend enough time being socially isolated any one will go insane because it's how our brains are hardwired. Look at the common theme with all these shooters, almost always socially isolated. Everyone always demonizes these shooters instantly without realizing their lifestyle created a time bomb, social interaction is like air, humans need it and when someone doesn't get any for a long amount of time they start to lose grip on reality. These people are often massively deluded because their brain isn't functioning properly.

I think it would be far more productive to recognize the cause of the disease (mental health issues) as opposed to dealing with the symptom (gun use). Social isolation and depression are massively stigmatized in society and the loners usually have nowhere to go for help, regulating guns (although philosophically the right thing to do) would be a bandaid on the symptom. (I shouldn't have to say it again, but this is just my opinion).