Connecticut School Shooting

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by PIMking

What's hard to to fix for me in the US is the gang issue. We have a huge gang issue here and we have an issue were parents have a xbox raise their kids and they allow them to play super violent games from the beginning that devalues life.

You didn't really just blame video games, did you? That's the weakest possible argument other than saying "Nuh uh!"

And gangs? Every country in the world has gangs but it doesn't cripple us all to the point of needing to own a gun to calm our fears. I guess the South could be different and roving mobs of gang members are running your cities like Lord Humongous and his bloodthirsty bandits. I assume you're leading up to the old if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns argument right?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by PIMking

What's hard to to fix for me in the US is the gang issue. We have a huge gang issue here and we have an issue were parents have a xbox raise their kids and they allow them to play super violent games from the beginning that devalues life.

if it were to stop all the mass shootings and gun deaths I would support the gun ban. This idiot woke up killed his mom, stole her weapons, then went on a killing spree.

All my weapons are completely locked up right now and only come out if I go hunting, or to the range, or a competition.

Honestly though, we need to think about all these innocent kids and families that lost their loved ones due to some idiot who ruined hundreds of lives instead of politicizing it.

Sorry, no offense, but in what way is this being politicized? Someone just slaughtered a classroom full of children with guns they had easy access to. In what way is that not a problem? The outrage you hear is not to make political points, it is real, human and totally justified. There are tens of millions responsible gun owners out there but as long as they preach that guns are not part of the problem there will never be progress occurring this sort of violence.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

You didn't really just blame video games, did you? That's the weakest possible argument other than saying "Nuh uh!"

And gangs? Every country in the world has gangs but it doesn't cripple us all to the point of needing to own a gun to calm our fears. I guess the South could be different and roving mobs of gang members are running your cities like Lord Humongous and his bloodthirsty bandits. I assume you're leading up to the old if guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns argument right?

I'm just here for the gasoline.

[PIMking]

I'm not going to argue about it, I just want to display my disgust about hearing this today. I'm just going to keep the families in my thoughts.

[Language]

Just thinking about all the parents that ran to the school today to find their little boys and girls, only to be given the news that they were in that classroom that was massacred. Can't even imagine what they're going through this minute.

What a ####in coward.

[QuadCityImages]

I know I'm stereotyping a lot here, but do we really think the weapons were really bought by the mom for her own use?

[oldschoolcalgary]

not many gang bangers going into malls or schools and killing kids though is there?

NRA 2nd amendment rationalizations are pure crap. Does any person honestly believe the framers of he constitution wouldn't rethink their position in the world of Ak-47s and semi automatic pistols?!

#### them - them. You reap what you sow.

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Sorry, no offense, but in what way is this being politicized? Someone just slaughtered a classroom full of children with guns they had easy access to. In what way is that not a problem? The outrage you hear is not to make political points, it is real, human and totally justified. There are tens of millions responsible gun owners out there but as long as they preach that guns are not part of the problem there will never be progress occurring this sort of violence.

Not politicised... commercialised, thats whats upsetting to me.

Oh and dont bother changing the channel...
They're all owned by the same kinds of interests...think kevin o'leary (money before everything).

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by PIMking

What's hard to to fix for me in the US is the gang issue. We have a huge gang issue here and we have an issue were parents have a xbox raise their kids and they allow them to play super violent games from the beginning that devalues life.

if it were to stop all the mass shootings and gun deaths I would support the gun ban. This idiot woke up killed his mom, stole her weapons, then went on a killing spree.

All my weapons are completely locked up right now and only come out if I go hunting, or to the range, or a competition.

Honestly though, we need to think about all these innocent kids and families that lost their loved ones due to some idiot who ruined hundreds of lives instead of politicizing it.

yeah, because Newtown, Aurora and Columbine are rife with Crips and Bloods in a turf war right?!

Wow...

compare mass shootings in the US vs every other western democracy combined... then come back and post.

[Drake]

The media sure pisses me off and likely others too. The guys response to one of those jackasses is funny if you ask me.

[Minnie]

Love his response.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Ark2

What are your thoughts on Holocaust survivors who now own guns for this very reason? Just a bunch of dumb rednecks?

bull#####

find me a source on this, otherwise, the argument is as asinine as blacks carrying handguns because of slavery.

Personally, i feel bad, but don't really give a #####.

you reap what you sow - if you buy into the NRA narrative of "guns don't kill people, people kill people", bully for you.

the FACTS however, do not bear that out. Not in the slightest.

[Two Fivenagame]

Gun culture:

I remember visiting someone in Atlanta and being shown their gun collection - 2 revolvers and 3 shotguns sitting in a closet in the master bedroom. The most disturbing part was just how casually he showed me his weapons....like they were cars or something.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by gargamel

Yes it will. It won't solve all the problems, but it will prevent a lot of these incidents. If I wanted to buy a gun to kill someone or shoot up a school and I couldn't walk into a store and buy one, I'd have no idea where to start. I'd probably do some google searches, post an add on craigslist, and get arrested.

Gang members and drug dealers probably have connections that would give them access to the existing guns even if gun sales were banned, but I doubt that a lot of these mass shooters would be able to.

Gang members, drug dealers aren't the ones killing people in mass, theatrical events--the criminal element doesn't often take that violence into a public place, it doesn't drag innocent victims in huge numbers into their crossfire. Generally gang members are victims of violence from other gang members, drug lords/dealers/buyers are victims. There are, of course, innocent bystanders from time to time, but rarely in a gang related event are you going to have a body count of 27, and really rarely are 20 of them going to be children.

You aren't ever going to get rid of all guns in the US, it's not possible. But there's a big difference between a hunting rifle and an AK-47. And gun control doesn't stop everyone from getting weapons--it should just thin the herd.

Japan's laws for obtaining a weapon would be fantastic.

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

From here: http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...deaths/260189/

A lot of those rules are excessive--you'll never drop the gun culture to that level in the US, and even the necessity to tell police the specific location is probably excessive. But otherwise I love it.

And for God's sake, if we're supposedly living in the "best nation in the world" figure out a way to make health care--especially mental health care--affordable and accessible to all people.

[oldschoolcalgary]

meh... honestly, i don't really care anymore.

if Americans dont' see how guns are destroying their nation, I don't really care... I actually laugh at the NRA stoolies, because I live in Canada, and luckily most people have an issue with people own assault rifles and semi automatic pistols.

Americans who believe in the 2nd Amendment and right to bear arms? Have at it. This won't be the last and certainly won't be the worst tragedy that happens in America.

Shining City on the hill indeed.

[drhu22]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

yeah, because Newtown, Aurora and Columbine are rife with Crips and Bloods in a turf war right?!
Wow...
compare mass shootings in the US vs every other western democracy combined... then come back and post.

I wonder how much the media driven idea of 'violence/guns solve problems'...im thinking john wayne, bruce willis, arnold sch, batman, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. We're brought up with this idea since the first time we sit in front of a tv. Can it not affect us at some point?

[nik-]

Canadians grow up with American movies too, and in general we're not lighting people up at alarming rates.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by drhu22

I wonder how much the media driven idea of 'violence/guns solve problems'...im thinking john wayne, bruce willis, arnold sch, batman, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. We're brought up with this idea since the first time we sit in front of a tv. Can it not affect us at some point?

it may and it may not.

but it access to weapons that is the difference. How many people would be killed if it was a single or double shot rifle? How many killed with a revolver.

American's narrative of the second amendment (what 200 years old?!) is the problem here. Fragmentation bullets, assault rifles and semi automatics pistols did not even exist at the time of the amendment!

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

It's a huge start and a huge part of the solution. A war on guns would be a lot easier then a war on drugs.

If you took a poll I would bet at least 70% of Americans would welcome a ban on handguns and assault rifles,problem is the other 30 odd percent are absolute idiots or hicks.

America's people have proved over and over they can't handle guns in there lives, stop this madness...please.

[Flames_Gimp]

Tales of Sandy Hook heroism, young and old

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...&dlvrit=384245