General Ongoing Coyotes saga thread

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by nik-

You mean contracting the team as a reward to the NHLPA? Because that's the only way I could see this being leveraged. They're not going to hang it over the union's head as a threat piece for lost jobs, because the NHLPA doesn't care about the things a normal union does.

I think that they definitely would care about contraction, even in Phoenix. It still detracts from revenue after all (not profits, but rather the total revenue that they will probably end up getting 50% of), as well as lost jobs.

However, it is a weak threat, as they will counter with relocation. This is why the NHL will not bring up contraction, since I am sure the NHL will spike revenues for a year by relocating Phoenix to Quebec, Hamilton or even Seattle (once those areas have arenas capable of hosting an NHL team).

I think contraction is a card that neither side wants to use in these negotiations.

[Where ru Chris O'Sullivan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think that they definitely would care about contraction, even in Phoenix. It still detracts from revenue after all (not profits, but rather the total revenue that they will probably end up getting 50% of), as well as lost jobs.

However, it is a weak threat, as they will counter with relocation. This is why the NHL will not bring up contraction, since I am sure the NHL will spike revenues for a year by relocating Phoenix to Quebec, Hamilton or even Seattle (once those areas have arenas capable of hosting an NHL team).

I think contraction is a card that neither side wants to use in these negotiations.

I would say the entire reason there still isn't a (CBA)deal done, is Bettman has painted a picture of a 32-34 team NHL, if the owners stick together and reduce the players %. I'm positive he's singing there is no need for relocation to prime markets that could be better saved for expansion.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by nik-

You mean contracting the team as a reward to the NHLPA? Because that's the only way I could see this being leveraged. They're not going to hang it over the union's head as a threat piece for lost jobs, because the NHLPA doesn't care about the things a normal union does.

The threat of contraction did work for MLB in 2002. It even made Donald Fehr avoid a work stoppage.

MLB essentially green lit the contraction of Minnesota and Montreal and eventually pulled it off the table as part of their negotiations.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas...twinsexpos_ap/

I think it would work well.

[Jordan!]

Vote late today.

[topfiverecords]

No word on the vote yet?
Council was scheduled to meet at 7 but I guess knowing that council they'll talk in circles for 4 hours before voting.

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

I can save you the suspense. Vote will be 4-2 in favour. City councils do not hold public votes without already knowing the outcome.

[MissTeeks]

@bruce_arthur: Glendale city council approves a $320-million, 20-year arena deal for the Coyotes. Good luck with it, everyone.

[sureLoss]

Jamison has to close by January 31, 2013 or its back to square 1.

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Jamison has to close by January 31, 2013 or its back to square 1.

There isn't square 1.. the team is gone if this doesn't happen.

Sign on the dotted line and i'll be happy.

[Muta]

Wow. Good for Yotes fans, but insulting to pretty much every other citizen of Glendale.

[Cowperson]

In the Arizona Republic this morning . . . .



http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...nclick_check=1

It's a lovely morning in Scottsdale!!!!

Cowperson

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

It's a lovely morning in Scottsdale!!!!

[dash_pinched]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Jamison has to close by January 31, 2013 or its back to square 1.

But January 31, 2013 is a Thursday

[Jordan!]

Sidney Crosby practicing in Scottsdale. Patrick Marleau and Scott Hartnell as well.

Players hate Arizona.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Sidney Crosby practicing in Scottsdale. Patrick Marleau and Scott Hartnell as well.

Players hate Arizona.

You should be more worried about the fans, not the players.

[Resolute 14]

Who said players hate Arizona?

[troutman]

Not unexpected, but that was pure balls by a lame-duck council to vote on such a large contract. Were they visionary or negligent?

Lots of questions:

If the money is "in place", why does Jamison need another 30-60 days?

Why wouldn't Jamison reveal the identity of his investors, when asked by Scruggs? COG is committing to big expenditures on good faith.

Will there be a referendum on the deal? Seems likely.

Will Goldwater make the gift clause argument if the deal is concluded?

How can the new COG council get out of the deal?

19.1 Team Owner Remedies.
19.1.1 For City Default. Following a City Default, the Team Owner shall, in addition to all other remedies at law and in equity, have the right to seek compensatory damages, but not indirect damages or punitive damages (which are in any event prohibited against the City under Arizona law), arising out of such City Default

19.2 Arena Manager Remedies.
19.2.2 For City Default. Following a City Default, the Arena Manager shall, in addition to all other remedies at law and in equity, have the right to seek compensatory damages, but not indirect damages or damages punitive (which are in any event prohibited against the City under Arizona law), arising out of such City Default.


If the deal goes through, can the Coyotes capitalize on the playoff run and end of uncertainty, and grow the season ticket revenue?

Is Wayne going to get paid?

Glendale City Council votes to approve Phoenix Coyotes deal
http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...-approved.html

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

In the Arizona Republic this morning . . . .



http://www.azcentral.com/community/g...nclick_check=1

It's a lovely morning in Scottsdale!!!!

Cowperson

Amen to that!

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow

Sidney Crosby practicing in Scottsdale. Patrick Marleau and Scott Hartnell as well.

Players hate Arizona.

I doubt that. Many players probably treasure the anonymity that Arizona provides.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

I doubt that. Many players probably treasure the anonymity that Arizona provides.

Don't mind him, Bouw's developed a bit of a complex that everyone hates Arizona just because of this whole thing.

I guess it's because everyone is compelled to repeat the fact that the Coyotes have not proven economically viable in Glendale and that this lease by the lame-duck council is insane.