11-27-2012, 07:19 PM
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#683
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
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hahahhahaa 80% was from Feb over 2 quarters ago...... thats like a lifetime in cellphone years. Also the $370 is referring to the iphone 5 with it's new touch sensor and it's super easy scratch surface.
There is no way it is at 80% now with the S3 around. Ridiculous to quote numbers from 9 months ago. hahah
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11-27-2012, 07:44 PM
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#684
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: May 2007
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Do iTunes app sales fall into the "mobile profits" category for Apple? Because their 30% cut of all their 99 cent apps probably would make up a big share of the income difference vs Android.
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11-27-2012, 07:47 PM
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#685
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Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadCityImages
Do iTunes app sales fall into the "mobile profits" category for Apple? Because their 30% cut of all their 99 cent apps probably would make up a big share of the income difference vs Android.
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For sure it does. There is no way they can achieve those numbers on handset sales. they would have to make them for $30-$40/ phone
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11-27-2012, 08:04 PM
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#686
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
For sure it does. There is no way they can achieve those numbers on handset sales. they would have to make them for $30-$40/ phone
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Apple's 2012 FY profits were $41B. Even if 100% of their profits were derived from handset sales (which they obviously aren't), that'd only be slightly over $300 for each of the 125 million iPhones they sold. Even a $250 profit on each $670 iPhone represents $31B in profits.
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11-27-2012, 08:06 PM
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#687
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by chemgear
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
hahahhahaa 80% was from Feb over 2 quarters ago...... thats like a lifetime in cellphone years. Also the $370 is referring to the iphone 5 with it's new touch sensor and it's super easy scratch surface.
There is no way it is at 80% now with the S3 around. Ridiculous to quote numbers from 9 months ago. hahah
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FFS man, I need to add "hehe", "haha", and "mind bottling" to my posts. 
Second link: "by Roger Cheng August 6, 2012 7:40 AM PDT"
It even mentions Samsung specifically:
Apple impressively generated 71 percent of the industry's operating profit with only 6.5 percent of the global handset market, according to Canaccord.
Samsung, which has the largest market share at 25 percent, saw its share of profit rise to 37 percent, Walkley said.
Given that it was just before the iPhone 5, I'd assume that 71% is still pretty solid if not a tad higher again towards the 80%. To be fair, I'm not really sure why I bother posting actual numbers and analysis in this thread . . . 
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11-27-2012, 08:09 PM
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#688
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by QuadCityImages
Do iTunes app sales fall into the "mobile profits" category for Apple? Because their 30% cut of all their 99 cent apps probably would make up a big share of the income difference vs Android.
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I doubt it does, but even if they are included they're a drop in the bucket. It's estimated that Apple gets $500-600M per quarter in revenue from the App Store (after paying developers). Once you account for the costs of running it, that's fairly inconsequential for a company that brought in $8-13B in profit per quarter for 2012.
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11-27-2012, 08:13 PM
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#689
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chemgear
FFS man, I need to add "hehe", "haha", and "mind bottling" to my posts.
Second link: "by Roger Cheng August 6, 2012 7:40 AM PDT"
It even mentions Samsung specifically:
Apple impressively generated 71 percent of the industry's operating profit with only 6.5 percent of the global handset market, according to Canaccord.
Samsung, which has the largest market share at 25 percent, saw its share of profit rise to 37 percent, Walkley said.
Given that it was just before the iPhone 5, I'd assume that 71% is still pretty solid if not a tad higher again towards the 80%. To be fair, I'm not really sure why I bother posting actual numbers and analysis in this thread . . . |
Well each of your opening articles were from February..... but at least it was at 80%... hehe
Samsung sold a crap load of s3s since then. The old cheaper to build iphone 4s has been replaced by a more expensive iphone 5 which has supply problems. Good luck with getting back to 80%.
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11-27-2012, 08:18 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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The way I interpret all of this is: Apple is hosing the consumer.
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11-27-2012, 08:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola
The way I interpret all of this is: Apple is hosing the consumer.
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Which isn't a bad thing. Shareholders are way more important! So hard to buy Google with all this free/ at cost crap! FFF
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11-27-2012, 09:03 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola
The way I interpret all of this is: Apple is hosing the consumer.
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By extension, just as Android customers are hosing the Android handset/software makers? Their customers are killing them.
With such a massive difference in worldwide market share but such a tiny share of profits outside of Samsung? Shouldn't the Android appstore also be many, many, multiple times larger than the iOS one? Piracy aside, are Android users so less inclined to spend the money for content given their much greater numbers? It is almost like Android is capturing the "masses" at the bottom end of the market/economic ladder.
It is why the whole "market share" comparison thing is an amusing and interesting perspective to me. The concept is kinda goofy as well, it's not like Android is a monolithic unified pillar - the fact that it isn't is one of the more compelling things of Android for me.
Last edited by chemgear; 11-27-2012 at 09:11 PM.
Reason: Adding a :)
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11-27-2012, 09:06 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chemgear
By extension, just as Android customers are hosing the Android handset/software makers?
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No, I don't control the prices set by Android handset/software makers. That's not how I interpret the discussion on the previous pages.
Last edited by GreatWhiteEbola; 11-27-2012 at 09:09 PM.
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11-27-2012, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteEbola
No, I don't control the prices set by Android handset/software makers. That's not how I interpret the discussion on the previous pages.
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Customers have the choice to put their money in the product they want - they certainly control that still.
It isn't like people are being forced against their will to choose one product or another? If a product is priced too high or too low, the market will prove that out.
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11-27-2012, 10:56 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chemgear
Customers have the choice to put their money in the product they want - they certainly control that still.
It isn't like people are being forced against their will to choose one product or another? If a product is priced too high or too low, the market will prove that out.
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Thanks, Tips.
Last edited by GreatWhiteEbola; 11-27-2012 at 11:04 PM.
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11-28-2012, 07:25 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Originally Posted by Rathji
See, as a consumer, I don't care how much the company I bought my phone from has brought in in profits, as long as it is enough to ensure the company is viable, will remain in business, have a satisfactory app store, and I continue to receive OS updates.
- Market share seems to be the main factor in determining what apps are available from the app store, at a reasonable price, which as many Android manufacturers are proving, isn't directly related to profits.
- I don't think any current OS provider is in danger of going out of business, so OS updates are seeming to be unimpacted. RIM is obviously the biggest candidate here, but not really in the scope of an iPhone vs Android conversation
Winning to me is having a phone that does what I want it to, will be able to do what I want it to for as long as I don't drop it in the toilet or drive over it with my car. As long as the current company state doesn't interfere with that, then I win.
Who cares if Apple or Google wins? I don't. I just want to win by having a good phone.
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Well there's a reason why companies like Apple and Google and Microsoft are (outside O&G) some of the most profitable companies on earth: Because they make superior quality products and thus can charge the premium with leads to greater profitability. Apple's name alone has to be worth at least half the profits they make. As a brand it really doesn't get much more valuable than Apple. Their products have been IMO middling of late and yet are selling better than ever, the true sign of a strong brand.
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11-28-2012, 11:38 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SE Calgary
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Yes I agree it is getting a little ridiculous. But yikes for Samsung...
Court Demands Samsung Pay Apple $120,000 per Day - in Netherlands
http://gizmodo.com/5963973/court-dem...120000-per-day
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11-28-2012, 11:58 AM
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#698
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Market Mall Food Court
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Originally Posted by oilyfan
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I highly doubt Samsung will pay a cent on this. hahaha. keep suing!!! Ridiculous
Specifically, the judges banned any "Galaxy products that infringe on an patent describing a way to scroll through a photo gallery using a touchscreen." So any of the offending devices running Android 2.2.1 or higher that doesn't "use Samsung's proprietary photo gallery software" is now officially Dutch contraband.
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11-28-2012, 02:09 PM
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#699
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Lifetime Suspension
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Wow apple ipads lose 14% marketshare in 1 quarter.
The maker of the iPad line of tablets still leads the market with a 55% share, according to a new report from market research firm ABI Research. But that’s down 14 percentage points in one quarter alone, and the lowest since the first iPad launched in 2010.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertho...rtner=yahootix
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11-28-2012, 02:12 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SE Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
Wow apple ipads lose 14% marketshare in 1 quarter.
The maker of the iPad line of tablets still leads the market with a 55% share, according to a new report from market research firm ABI Research. But that’s down 14 percentage points in one quarter alone, and the lowest since the first iPad launched in 2010.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertho...rtner=yahootix |
We will see once the sales of the iPad mini start to kick in.
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