10-30-2012, 07:35 AM
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#161
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Any updates of damage from the coast?
The worst should be over right?
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10-30-2012, 07:41 AM
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#162
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by polak
Any updates of damage from the coast?
The worst should be over right?
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the worst is over for those along the coast...but its just starting for others inland...there is massive flooding in NJ/NYC and a bunch of fires that the FD were helpless to do much about. manhatten is basically a ghost own apparently as there was up to 4' of water through the streets on the lower east side.
over 2' of snow has fallen in parts of W Va as well...extremely rare for this time of year...as it is all along the Appalaichans.
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10-30-2012, 08:13 AM
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#163
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Winnipeg
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Of course the Earth is resilient. But it's not the Earth we need to be worried about per se. It's the various species on Earth, including ouselves, who will be unable to adapt to the rapid changes in climate due to global warming that we have accelerated.
Anyway, spectacular images coming out if the States. Sorry to hear about the lives lost. Please continue to be safe!
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10-30-2012, 08:14 AM
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#164
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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When is Sandy suppose to merge with the other storm cells?
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10-30-2012, 08:15 AM
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#165
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No power outages where I am outside of Windsor, but my friend in the next town hasn't had power since late last night, her whole town is out. The wind was crazy, but that was basically all we got. I feel terrible for everyone that has received the worst of this storm.
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10-30-2012, 08:18 AM
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#166
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Live in Niagara Falls. Really not too much happened, just a bunch of rain, not even high winds, power did go out for about fifteen minutes but that sums up my night!
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10-30-2012, 08:25 AM
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#167
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Austin, Tx
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Originally Posted by transplant99
Add to that where it landed (most populated area in the USA) and the timing with the tidal cycles, and we see what will probably be the single largest natural disater ever recorded in NA.
Mother nature is a bitch.
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I think it has ways to go before coming close to the 1900 Galveston Hurricane which killed thousands of people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900_Galveston_hurricane
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10-30-2012, 08:34 AM
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#168
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10-30-2012, 08:45 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Cheese
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Turned into nothing but a bit of a wind storm here in Waterloo...didnt even lose a branch off the trees.
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Even here in the GTA, I think it was overblown quite a bit. This morning by my place, there were some tree branches and a billboard sign knocked over (a really old one made from plywood). I did see a pop can fly by my window last night and the power did go off a few times, but never for more than a minute. The thing is, strong winds frequently cause the power to go off in my neighbourhood.
It seems like every storm to hit the GTA is always going to be the storm of the century. Heaven forbid that one does actually hit one day, no one will believe it.
(It definitely came as advertised in NY and NJ though)
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10-30-2012, 08:48 AM
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Took an arrow to the knee
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by transplant99
yes, because hurricanes are rare along the east coast of NA....granted that this one was a large one, but you know what? there have been really really big ones before, and lots of them happened long before the combustion engine. This season was one of the weakest for hurricanes ever recorded (as far as landfall)...which simply doesnt jive with the man made theory. Its all very cyclical.
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Hurricane landfall is not an accurate way of measuring storm behavioural changes and has very little to do with the science behind global warming.
The "man-made theory" is that hurricane intensity will increase, while an increase in hurricane frequency is less certain of a conclusion.
In other words, nothing here is contradicting the current consensus in climate science or the "man-made" theory.
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10-30-2012, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Even here in the GTA, I think it was overblown quite a bit. This morning by my place, there were some tree branches and a billboard sign knocked over (a really old one made from plywood). I did see a pop can fly by my window last night and the power did go off a few times, but never for more than a minute. The thing is, strong winds frequently cause the power to go off in my neighbourhood.
It seems like every storm to hit the GTA is always going to be the storm of the century. Heaven forbid that one does actually hit one day, no one will believe it.
(It definitely came as advertised in NY and NJ though)
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Has the brunt of the storm even hit Toronto yet? I thought it was still to come.
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10-30-2012, 09:07 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by Bertuzzied
Has the brunt of the storm even hit Toronto yet? I thought it was still to come.
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Environment Canada lifted the wind warning and things are pretty calm out there right now. I'm guessing this is it.
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10-30-2012, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by HPLovecraft
Hurricane landfall is not an accurate way of measuring storm behavioural changes and has very little to do with the science behind global warming.
The "man-made theory" is that hurricane intensity will increase, while an increase in hurricane frequency is less certain of a conclusion.
In other words, nothing here is contradicting the current consensus in climate science or the "man-made" theory. |
Whatever man, you obvious are out to lunch.
Don't you know Hurricanes show up EVERY year!?
I mean, just how stupid do you have to be to think the weather is changing in an ever increasing extremes?
....patsy.
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10-30-2012, 12:26 PM
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We know a couple of things.
Humans are warming the planet due to their carbon emissions.
A warmer climate will lead to more energy output from oceans and lead to more intense tropical storms.
Can we put these two facts together?
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10-30-2012, 12:46 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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Originally Posted by Tinordi
We know a couple of things.
Humans are warming the planet due to their carbon emissions.
A warmer climate will lead to more energy output from oceans and lead to more intense tropical storms.
Can we put these two facts together?
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Logical conclusion = Obama is a socialist.
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10-30-2012, 12:59 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tinordi
We know a couple of things.
Humans are warming the planet due to their carbon emissions.
A warmer climate will lead to more energy output from oceans and lead to more intense tropical storms.
Can we put these two facts together?
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Here's a question that I've asked before but have never gotten an answer for. And it's not a mocking question either.
In my limited statistics knowledge (taken 2 courses in university), I was taught that anything that's within 5% is considered random and not a trend. Humans have been tracking weather patterns for what, a few hundred years at best? The Earth has been around for what, 4.5 billion years? 5% of 4.5 billion is 225 million years. So we have to have tracked the weather pattern for 225 million years and noticed an uptick in temperature before we can say its a trend. How do we know the climate change we are currently experiencing isn't just some sort of random blip?
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10-30-2012, 01:07 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Here's a question that I've asked before but have never gotten an answer for. And it's not a mocking question either.
In my limited statistics knowledge (taken 2 courses in university), I was taught that anything that's within 5% is considered random and not a trend. Humans have been tracking weather patterns for what, a few hundred years at best? The Earth has been around for what, 4.5 billion years? 5% of 4.5 billion is 225 million years. So we have to have tracked the weather pattern for 225 million years and noticed an uptick in temperature before we can say its a trend. How do we know the climate change we are currently experiencing isn't just some sort of random blip?
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They use geology, oceanography, paleoclimatic and paleoatmospheric studies.
Although we have only been tracking day-to-day weather for a few hundred years, there are other ways of researching climate trends. Obviously some of it requires interpretation, but the science is pretty sound.
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10-30-2012, 01:14 PM
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#180
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Yen Man
Here's a question that I've asked before but have never gotten an answer for. And it's not a mocking question either.
In my limited statistics knowledge (taken 2 courses in university), I was taught that anything that's within 5% is considered random and not a trend. Humans have been tracking weather patterns for what, a few hundred years at best? The Earth has been around for what, 4.5 billion years? 5% of 4.5 billion is 225 million years. So we have to have tracked the weather pattern for 225 million years and noticed an uptick in temperature before we can say its a trend. How do we know the climate change we are currently experiencing isn't just some sort of random blip?
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In short we have weather records for thousands of years not hundreds thanks to glacial cores so we can very confidently say that the warming trend is being forced by something and barring any other explanation (of which there are none) humans are responsible.
The world of 4 billion years ago was a much much different place, it was uninhabitable and the atmospheric chemistry was completely different. Much of the record of the earth's billion year history is just not applicable to today but if we do go back we get this:
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