2012 NFL Season Thread

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by browna

Interesting perspective here, both as far as a breakdown of the catch, and the reasons why this became so hotly contested and probably a bit over the top, in the grand scheme of things call wise, and NFL wise.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...s-legit/17706/

And there were calls both ways near the end that were missed or head scratchers so that as any further justification for Packer fans to complain about the final result, is complete bunk.

There was PI on the last drive from Woodson. The above mentioned PI on Chancellor that wasn't on one of GB's scoring drives instead of a 4th down.

A first down given to GB at the Seattle goal line in the second to last GB possesion, instead of 4th down, both seemed dubious, and the result meant more time off the clock in addition to the subsequent TD.

Not mentioned in all of this, was the great play by former Stamp Browner to break up the 2 point convert...if that worked out for GB, it would've meant going to OT after all of this.

Finally, the replacement head official from that game has had death threats left on his phone. Ridiculous.

Sigh.

Its not "packer fans". Its EVERYBODY....fans of all teams, media of all kinds, hell even guys on the Seahawks know they didnt win that game. Even the freaking league admitted the non called PI on the last play should have ended things on the spot.

This was not just an affront to one team, it was a huge slap in the face to the integrity of the entire league...not sure why some cant just accept that for what it is. Anyone who witnessed that should be able to admit it, and if they cant, they have to ask themselves why everyone and their dogs disagree with them.

[browna]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sigh.

Its not "packer fans". Its EVERYBODY....fans of all teams, media of all kinds, hell even guys on the Seahawks know they didnt win that game. Even the freaking league admitted the non called PI on the last play should have ended things on the spot.

This was not just an affront to one team, it was a huge slap in the face to the integrity of the entire league...not sure why some cant just accept that for what it is. Anyone who witnessed that should be able to admit it, and if they cant, they have to ask themselves why everyone and their dogs disagree with them.

As I said, its mainly Packer fans that toss on those other so so calls (one side of them anyways) as further justification why Seattle supposedly shouldn't have won.

The general public "outrage" is over the final call, that has gotten into the mainstream media and is up for debate. Most of the other fans know that those other judgement calls go, and have gone, both ways, in this game and in football week in and week out, replacements officials or not.

As for the specific PI peice, as was a big part of that link, which makes me think you didn't bother to see the points made with in it and just rolled out your opinion that you've made up your mind with from the start; the last 87 Hail Mary attempts there has been 1 PI called, and that was on the defense. Its one of those unwritten rules that goes both ways.

Bottom line...was the catch of the TD the wrong call? Possibly, maybe probably. But taking a look at links like this broken down a bit more then Gruden and Tirico making comments to the continent in the heat of the moment and without the benefit of detailed analysis, (and given that its' replacement refs, on Monday night etc etc) make you open your mind a bit more and think that its not such a blatant and egregious error as is/was/will continue to made out to be, or, quite as large as an "affront" or slap in the face to league integrity or whatever you want to make this out to be.

[Free Ben Hur!]

Originally Posted by browna

As I said, its mainly Packer fans that toss on those other so so calls (one side of them anyways) as further justification why Seattle supposedly shouldn't have won.

The general public "outrage" is over the final call, that has gotten into the mainstream media and is up for debate. Most of the other fans know that those other judgement calls go, and have gone, both ways, in this game and in football week in and week out, replacements officials or not.

As for the specific PI peice, as was a big part of that link, which makes me think you didn't bother to see the points made with in it and just rolled out your opinion that you've made up your mind with from the start; the last 87 Hail Mary attempts there has been 1 PI called, and that was on the defense. Its one of those unwritten rules that goes both ways.

Bottom line...was the catch of the TD the wrong call? Possibly, maybe probably. But taking a look at links like this broken down a bit more then Gruden and Tirico making comments to the continent in the heat of the moment and without the benefit of detailed analysis, (and given that its' replacement refs, on Monday night etc etc) make you open your mind a bit more and think that its not such a blatant and egregious error as is/was/will continue to made out to be, or, quite as large as an "affront" or slap in the face to league integrity or whatever you want to make this out to be.

Well said.

[Sylvanfan]

One of my co-workers who was at the game said the officials missed a blatant roughing the passer call on Clay Matthews to end the game too. According to him Matthews was a good three steps after the release in running Wilson. Granted this guy is a Bears fan, he felt Seattle had been hosed by the officials all game long until that last play.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by browna

As I said, its mainly Packer fans that toss on those other so so calls (one side of them anyways) as further justification why Seattle supposedly shouldn't have won.

The general public "outrage" is over the final call, that has gotten into the mainstream media and is up for debate. Most of the other fans know that those other judgement calls go, and have gone, both ways, in this game and in football week in and week out, replacements officials or not.

As for the specific PI peice, as was a big part of that link, which makes me think you didn't bother to see the points made with in it and just rolled out your opinion that you've made up your mind with from the start; the last 87 Hail Mary attempts there has been 1 PI called, and that was on the defense. Its one of those unwritten rules that goes both ways.

Bottom line...was the catch of the TD the wrong call? Possibly, maybe probably. But taking a look at links like this broken down a bit more then Gruden and Tirico making comments to the continent in the heat of the moment and without the benefit of detailed analysis, (and given that its' replacement refs, on Monday night etc etc) make you open your mind a bit more and think that its not such a blatant and egregious error as is/was/will continue to made out to be, or, quite as large as an "affront" or slap in the face to league integrity or whatever you want to make this out to be.

Believe whatever you like, read whatever you want, but please please dont tell me that call at the end of the game was "possibly" anything than what it was....cause it was wrong...period.

Everyone and their blind dogs know it...its why all of a sudden there were regular officials working less than 72 hours later...NO other reason for the immediate settlement beyond it....cuz til that moment and even 16 hours later, everything was okie dokie.

Good for the hawks on getting the W as it stands in the column, but enough with ANY of the BS justifications about it...the game was decided the wrong way on the last play...end of story....the condescending crap about Tirico and Gruden aside.

[KelVarnsen]

I somewhat hope the Packers run the table so they finish 14-2 so we can end this discussion.

[CaramonLS]

FYI I was listening to Inside the lines this AM - they mentioned that roughly 15-20 million dollars went in favor of the bookies because of the result of the GB/SEA game, with Seattle covering the spread. I don't think that suggesting that one of the refs may have been on take is out of this world.

The NFL is extremely lucky that this whole fiasco is over with getting the real refs back on the field.

[rubecube]

Percy Harvin is awesome.

[PeteLFan]

Love seeing that smug look on that loser carrols face.

[rubecube]

Matt Cassell, Mark Sanchez, and Detroit's special teams are operating on a whole new level of suck.

[PeteLFan]

Rams kicker has easily put through a 58 and 60 yard field goal.

[moon]

Time to fire the ST coach in Detroit.

4 returns for TDs against in the last 1.5 games. That is brutal.

[habernac]

4 straight TD's for the Pats now. They lead by 14 after trailing by the same. Keep booing, folks.

[habernac]

make that 5.

[saskflames69]

Lol, Buffalo defeating New England?

Just wasn't going to happen.

[The Big Chill]

Texans roll on to 4-0 after a route of the Titans! Titans played it close for a while but couldn't keep up in the second half. JJ Watt had another fantastic game and has probably locked up AFC defensive player of the month.

The schedule gets a bit tougher for the Texans now with the next 3 games against the Jets, Packers, and Ravens. Looking forward to it.

[Drake]

Too bad I don't gamble with football as my upset special of the weekend was Minnesota over Detroit. Who would of thought Minnesota would be 3-1 after 4 weeks?

[habernac]

Matt Ryan dissecting the Carolina defense with a terrific last minute march down the field. setting up a game winning 40 yard field goal attempt (they started at their own 1 yard line with 46 seconds to go.)

And it's good!

[Sylvanfan]

If Matt Cassel isn't holding a clipboard or wearing another uniform next year, I'll be pretty angry. He's been god awful for turning the ball over this season.

[Joborule]

Solid win by Broncos over the Radiers today. Offense ran like a well oiled machine.