2012 NFL Season Thread

[Drake]

God, I hate Cary Williams. Why Jimmy Smith is not starting over him is really puzzling since he has sucked really bad? I'm happy too that he turned down that contract extension Baltimore offered him.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Score more then 12 points and don't let your QB get sacked 8 times. Really reminds me of the boxing/UFC saying "Don't leave the fight in the hands of the judges". You see Rodgers whining about the reffing when his offense was only able to put 12 points on the board, maybe he should have taken some credit for the loss due to his offense being outmatched by Seattles defense.

Really the Packers should be happy about the botched call since it has completely overshadowed the fact that they are not playing good football yet this season.

What a load of crap.

So, if i have this right, the blame goes on the Packers because (if the play had been called as it should have with the existing rules and whatnot) defensively were better than Seattles defense and who's offense was better than Seattles was....it ended up being a completely botched 3 or 4 calls in the last 2 minutes?

Seriously?


I am a die hard Packer fan and am the first to admit that offensively they havent been anywhere near what they should be yet this year....but that has NOTHING to do with the fact that they actually won that game in every way shape and form possible except in the eyes of incompetance....period.

This nonsense of shifting blame to them is an freaking joke. They did everything they needed to to win that game and quite simply, it was stolen from them. Those are facts...indisputable and no amount of spin is going to change that.

[Free Ben Hur!]

Originally Posted by transplant99

What a load of crap.

So, if i have this right, the blame goes on the Packers because (if the play had been called as it should have with the existing rules and whatnot) defensively were better than Seattles defense and who's offense was better than Seattles was....it ended up being a completely botched 3 or 4 calls in the last 2 minutes?

Seriously?


I am a die hard Packer fan and am the first to admit that offensively they havent been anywhere near what they should be yet this year....but that has NOTHING to do with the fact that they actually won that game in every way shape and form possible except in the eyes of incompetance....period.

This nonsense of shifting blame to them is an freaking joke. They did everything they needed to to win that game and quite simply, it was stolen from them. Those are facts...indisputable and no amount of spin is going to change that.

You didn't see the same game I saw. What three or four botched calls were those? Sober up and gain some objectivity.

[Sylvanfan]

Cleveland is going to make this interesting. It would be ironic if this comes down to a call on a hail Mary.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Free Ben Hur!

You didn't see the same game I saw. What three or four botched calls were those? Sober up and gain some objectivity.

Sober up? get bent.... i shouldnt even waste time answering this condesceding BS but i know i have what actually happened on my side of this.

But to make this painfully obvious for you,

1)How about a PI on Shields that didnt actually happen...Rice yanked on him.

2) Shields again being used as a launch pad so Tate could even be in a spot to try and get the last pass.

3) Oh, and that whole Jennings actually intercepted the ball, and tate NEVER had possesion, simultaneous or otherwise.

Before that a very questionable roughing the passer.

Feel free to dispute those.

[Diet Water]

Pathetic dive at the end of the game there.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Diet Water

Pathetic dive at the end of the game there.

Kruger's an idiot to pull that crap there. What did he think was gonna happen?

[Diet Water]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Kruger's an idiot to pull that crap there. What did he think was gonna happen?

Oh, it was definitely very stupid.

I just wasn't expecting a 300 lb lineman to flop like a Sedin.

[Free Ben Hur!]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sober up? get bent.... i shouldnt even waste time answering this condesceding BS but i know i have what actually happened on my side of this.

But to make this painfully obvious for you,

1)How about a PI on Shields that didnt actually happen...Rice yanked on him.

2) Shields again being used as a launch pad so Tate could even be in a spot to try and get the last pass.

3) Oh, and that whole Jennings actually intercepted the ball, and tate NEVER had possesion, simultaneous or otherwise.

Before that a very questionable roughing the passer.

Feel free to dispute those.

Check post 1030. Anyone who saw the Tate 'TD' play agrees that it was a bogus call and shouldn't have stood. Sorry, not anyone. Anyone who is the least bit objective. You obviously think there was an anti GB conspiracy. Fill yer boots. Notice you haven't commented on the marginal PI call against Seattle that was a key play in keeping GB's sole TD drive alive. For a team that's seeded third or fourth in the entire league, quarterbacked by the league MVP and that beat the asses off their opponent in every aspect of the game shouldn't the score have been something more like 27-3 instead of 12-14?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Seriously?

Yeah I am serious. The Green Bay Packers are supposed to be contenders and have one of the best offenses in the league. They shouldn't have let it come down to the last play of the game.

I understand they were screwed but hell at least take a little responsibility for the loss. It was their poor performance that even let it come down to the last play of the game.

Was it the wrong call? Yes, but the call was more difficult then people want to admit. Had the same call been made with the regular refs and had there not already been controversy about the quality of the replacement refs there likely would have not have been as much outrage against the call.

I also disagree that Tate never ever had the ball. Tate and Jennings both had two hands on the ball at the top of their leaps but as they fall Jennings twists to box out Tate and one of Tates hands slips off in the process. The correct call should have been an interception, and the right call should have been made with video replay, but in real time it was likely harder to determine then most would like to admit.

This link has a pretty good Frame by Frame view, picture 6 is when you really see Jennings twist to rip Tate off the ball but prior to that they both had two hands on the ball. http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/...nfl-rule-book/

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Free Ben Hur!

Check post 1030. Anyone who saw the Tate 'TD' play agrees that it was a bogus call and shouldn't have stood. Sorry, not anyone. Anyone who is the least bit objective. You obviously think there was an anti GB conspiracy. Fill yer boots. Notice you haven't commented on the marginal PI call against Seattle that was a key play in keeping GB's sole TD drive alive. For a team that's seeded third or fourth in the entire league, quarterbacked by the league MVP and that beat the asses off their opponent in every aspect of the game shouldn't the score have been something more like 27-3 instead of 12-14?

So you cant refute the answer i gave to your question...thought as much.

And conspiracy? No not even a little bit, just the incompetance to a level never seen before in pro sports.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah I am serious. The Green Bay Packers are supposed to be contenders and have one of the best offenses in the league. They shouldn't have let it come down to the last play of the game.

I understand they were screwed but hell take some responsibility for the loss. It was their poor performance that even let it come down to the last play of the game.

Was it the wrong call? Yes, but the call was more difficult then people want to admit. Had the same call been made with the regular refs and had there not already been controversy about the quality of the replacement refs there likely would have not have been as much outrage against the call.

I also disagree that Tate never ever had the ball. Tate and Jennings both had two hands on the ball at the top of their leaps but as they fall Jennings twists to box out Tate and one of Tates hands slips off in the process. The correct call should have been an interception, and the right call should have been made with video replay, but in real time it was likely harder to determine then most would like to admit.

This link has a pretty good Frame by Frame view, picture 6 is when you really see Jennings twist to rip Tate off the ball but prior to that they both had two hands on the ball. http://www.thebiglead.com/index.php/...nfl-rule-book/

Pretty much ends all discussion right there does it not?

Doesnt matter what you or others believe the score SHOULD have been, the bottom line is that without that last debacle of a call, GB scored more pts than Seattle, gave up less yds, and yes...should have won the game. That is not even in dispute with a vast majority of people regardless of why the call was there to be made one way or the other.

Blaming a team for not being the better team ...when they were... is just....bizarre.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Pretty much ends all discussion right there does it not?

Doesnt matter what you or others believe the score SHOULD have been, the bottom line is that without that last debacle of a call, GB scored more pts than Seattle, gave up less yds, and yes...should have won the game. That is not even in dispute with a vast majority of people regardless of why the call was there to be made one way or the other.

Blaming a team for not being the better team ...when they were... is just....bizarre.

Were they really the better team?

That play gets all the hype since it was the last play of the game but if you want to be un-biased we have to look at all the other botched calls in the game too.

Green Bay's lone scoring drive was extended by what was a terrible Pass Interference call. Replacement refs got that one wrong too. Take that scoring drive out of the game and then it was 7-5 Seattle.

I'm not saying the refs aren't at fault but it's not like Green Bay dominated all game and we're hands down better then the Seahawks. I'm just saying Green Bay needs to look at their own play and blame some of it on that too since its not like they played great.

And the bottom line is Green Bay lost 14-12 they can blame it on the refs all they want but they would be better off if they realize the refs were not 100 percent to blame for their loss. No team should think scoring 12 points should be good enough to win.

[Spuds_Buckley]

Originally Posted by Drake

God, I hate Cary Williams. Why Jimmy Smith is not starting over him is really puzzling since he has sucked really bad? I'm happy too that he turned down that contract extension Baltimore offered him.

Yeah up until that pick 6 he has not been playing well at all.

Kudos to the fans for giving the refs a nice ovation before the game. Watching the game last night was a total contrast to the first three weeks... you could actually focus on the players and not worry about what ridiculous call was coming next.

Looking forward to Sunday's games... maybe then this thread can actually start be about football again instead of arguments about the Packers-Seahawks game.

[North East Goon]

Oh Cleveland another lost season.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Papi34

Not gonna start a words war here, but you are quite naive to think that BB was the only one doing this back in the day.

Oh really? Well then please, lets's see some support for that claim.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sober up? get bent.... i shouldnt even waste time answering this condesceding BS but i know i have what actually happened on my side of this.

But to make this painfully obvious for you,

1)How about a PI on Shields that didnt actually happen...Rice yanked on him.

2) Shields again being used as a launch pad so Tate could even be in a spot to try and get the last pass.

3) Oh, and that whole Jennings actually intercepted the ball, and tate NEVER had possesion, simultaneous or otherwise.

Before that a very questionable roughing the passer.

Feel free to dispute those.

Absolutely nothing questionable about that call. I don't like it, but that's a call 100% of the time with the way QB's are protected in today's NFL.

[rubecube]

[Displaced Flames fan]

One of my former teachers was a replacement official. There's a short article about his experience in the Wichita paper that I thought might be worth sharing. I was in this guy's classroom and watching when the Challenger exploded in 1985(?).

http://www.kansas.com/2012/09/27/250...life-from.html

[browna]

Interesting perspective here, both as far as a breakdown of the catch, and the reasons why this became so hotly contested and probably a bit over the top, in the grand scheme of things call wise, and NFL wise.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...s-legit/17706/

And there were calls both ways near the end that were missed or head scratchers so that as any further justification for Packer fans to complain about the final result, is complete bunk.

There was PI on the last drive from Woodson. The above mentioned PI on Chancellor that wasn't on one of GB's scoring drives instead of a 4th down.

A first down given to GB at the Seattle goal line in the second to last GB possesion, instead of 4th down, both seemed dubious, and the result meant more time off the clock in addition to the subsequent TD.

Not mentioned in all of this, was the great play by former Stamp Browner to break up the 2 point convert...if that worked out for GB, it would've meant going to OT after all of this.

Finally, the replacement head official from that game has had death threats left on his phone. Ridiculous.