Quebec Removes Canadian Flag From Legislative Building...

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

lol, you know it's more than just a land squabble right?

The province has shown that is it not interested in being in confederation time and time again, perhaps the threat of expulsion would stop this nonsence.

I have experienced the "Quebec First" mentallity first hand.

You're doing exactly what the PQ wants. Their whole purpose in power right now is to thumb their nose at English Canada at every opportunity in order to provoke responses such as yours to try to convince the over two thirds of the Province that refused to vote for the seperatists that English Canada hates them. Fact remains that most of Quebekers wants nothing of the sort, hence the election results. Therefore the PQ is reduced to tactics like this to try and elicit more Quebec nationalism.

I think English Canada's reponse should simply be to ignore these stunts and carry on as normal. As time goes on and Quebec's population and economy continue to stagnate relative to the rest of the country, their ability to hold the rest of us hostage over money and unity debates gets ever more diminished. Futhermore the more stanuch PQers are of the older generation anyways. The unity problem is a problem that solves itself overtime as long as English Canadians don't repsond by being bigoted towards Quebekers by treating the entire province's people as if they all voted for those PQ clowns. Doing that might just push enough of them over the edge and back into the soverignty camp.

[Knut]

I am pertubed like the rest of us at this, but where would we get our Goalies and most of our olympic medal haul from ?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

You're doing exactly what the PQ wants. Their whole purpose in power right now is to thumb their nose at English Canada at every opportunity in order to provoke responses such as yours to try to convince the over two thirds of the Province that refused to vote for the seperatists that English Canada hates them. Fact remains that most of Quebekers wants nothing of the sort, hence the election results. Therefore the PQ is reduced to tactics like this to try and elicit more Quebec nationalism.

Then perhaps the other parties should get together and form a coalition gov't (although I am not sure of the law in Quebec when it comes to this). The Libs and CQA would have more seats.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Hesla

I am pertubed like the rest of us at this, but where would we get our Goalies and most of our olympic medal haul from ?

We'll we would save 7 Billion dollars a year.
Invest it in sports?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

You're doing exactly what the PQ wants. Their whole purpose in power right now is to thumb their nose at English Canada at every opportunity in order to provoke responses such as yours to try to convince the over two thirds of the Province that refused to vote for the seperatists that English Canada hates them. Fact remains that most of Quebekers wants nothing of the sort, hence the election results. Therefore the PQ is reduced to tactics like this to try and elicit more Quebec nationalism.

I think English Canada's reponse should simply be to ignore these stunts and carry on as normal. As time goes on and Quebec's population and economy continue to stagnate relative to the rest of the country, their ability to hold the rest of us hostage over money and unity debates gets ever more diminished. Futhermore the more stanuch PQers are of the older generation anyways. The unity problem is a problem that solves itself overtime as long as English Canadians don't repsond by being bigoted towards Quebekers by treating the entire province's people as if they all voted for those PQ clowns. Doing that might just push enough of them over the edge and back into the soverignty camp.

So you approach is to continue with status qou and/or put our heads in the sand.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Then perhaps the other parties should get together and form a coalition gov't (although I am not sure of the law in Quebec when it comes to this). The Libs and CQA would have more seats.

They most certainly will should the PQ try for another referendum vote. That's why all the PQ can do to advance soverignty in their minds is to try and piss off English Canadians in every way imaginable.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

They most certainly will should the PQ try for another referendum vote. That's why all the PQ can do to advance soverignty in their minds is to try and piss off English Canadians in every way imaginable.

I believe that forcing the issue might get this resolved once and for all. Remember that the First Nations have a lot of land in quebec.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

So you approach is to continue with status qou and/or put our heads in the sand.

It will be a more effective strategy than jackbooting them around and forcing them to leave on our dime. Bottomline, Quebec's not leaving the country while owing up to their share of the national debt, hence the whole 'soveriegnty-association' BS bandied about in the 90s. Since that's an unacceptable position from an English Canada point of view, we might as well let the movement run it's course into the obscurity of history without going through another national unity crisis that devalues our dollar and undermines foriegn capital investment (which will impact Alberta's economy severely).

[ken0042]

Maple Leaf back in Quebec assembly... for now

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

It will be a more effective strategy than jackbooting them around and forcing them to leave on our dime. Bottomline, Quebec's not leaving the country while owing up to their share of the national debt, hence the whole 'soveriegnty-association' BS bandied about in the 90s. Since that's an unacceptable position from an English Canada point of view, we might as well let the movement run it's course into the obscurity of history without going through another national unity crisis that devalues our dollar and undermines foriegn capital investment (which will impact Alberta's economy severely).

See this is where you and I differ. I don't believe it will "run it's course", while the influence might ebb and flow, I believe it will always be there.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Or a to expand on this and ask a better question, how many American products never come to Canada because the company doesn't want to deal with having to come up with French labels for everything?

None. They need to print new packages and boxes that comply to Canadian standards and metric measures anyway. It costs them almost nothing to add a French translation.

The cost is in distribution, licensing, compliance, rights, food standards, and other legal concerns, etc.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Old Yeller

In the 2012-2013 year, the following provinces will receive equalization payments:

• Quebec ($7.391 billion)
• Ontario ($3.261 billion)
• Manitoba ($1.671 billion)
• New Brunswick ($1.495 billion)
• Nova Scotia ($1.268 billion)
• Prince Edward Island ($337 million)

I wonder if even a tenth of the separatist population realizes how much money they get a year.

I thought Newfoundland was missing, but indeed it isn't: http://www.ctvnews.ca/historic-first...ation-1.339239

Ontario is now a 'have-not' province and N.L. is a 'have' province. Awesome news for the Newfies, good on 'em.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

haha, bad manners. I view it as something more.

What is your suggestion to resolve this issue?

What exactly do you view it as that would justify an action that is virtually unheard of, not just in modern times, but ever.

Let's be real about what you're suggesting, the willful ceding of a massive land area that is not some sort of colonial outpost, but directly attached to Canada, in which the majority of the population desires to be a part of Canada. Explain to me how that is not the most asinine suggestion imaginable.

[VladtheImpaler]

Oh, whatever - it's always the same discussion. Please, PLEASE, separate already... and I hope we are next.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

It will be a more effective strategy than jackbooting them around and forcing them to leave on our dime. Bottomline, Quebec's not leaving the country while owing up to their share of the national debt, hence the whole 'soveriegnty-association' BS bandied about in the 90s. Since that's an unacceptable position from an English Canada point of view, we might as well let the movement run it's course into the obscurity of history without going through another national unity crisis that devalues our dollar and undermines foriegn capital investment (which will impact Alberta's economy severely).

You're right. They aren't getting cut loose, unless they take their debts and they sure won't take them willingly. Temporary instability could be worth calling their bluff once and for all though. The presence of the Quebec question will always effect Canada, just as the Basque question effects Spain.

However, this disdain is over 200 years old, and it isnt going anywhere. Ignoring the whining could be just as capable of causing new complaints. Attempting to let it run its course by ignoring it and not giving them anything more special can easily be spun to a "they don't respect us and take us seriously" argument, that can provoke a whole new generation.

Its a chess game with them that has to be played just right. I'd prefer to play with the purse strings and watch the fun unfold.

[polak]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Oh, whatever - it's always the same discussion. Please, PLEASE, separate already... and I hope we are next.

Only if BC comes with... Screw being land locked.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by valo403

What exactly do you view it as that would justify an action that is virtually unheard of, not just in modern times, but ever.

Let's be real about what you're suggesting, the willful ceding of a massive land area that is not some sort of colonial outpost, but directly attached to Canada, in which the majority of the population desires to be a part of Canada. Explain to me how that is not the most asinine suggestion imaginable.

So no country have ever peacefully split up in modern times......right.

What i am suggesting is calling a bluff, drawing all parties to the table and starting a dialogue. It might be what is needed to wake up the rest of the populace.

If you want to discuss this we can, but try to dial down the rhetoric and personal attacks.

[Thunderball]

Originally Posted by polak

Only if BC comes with... Screw being land locked.

And Saskatchewan... we need them to balance out the lower mainland NDP vote.

[Northendzone]

i am assuming that we are all meeting somewhere to burn stuff down and we will then strap bombs to our chests......

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

However, this disdain is over 200 years old, and it isnt going anywhere. Ignoring the whining could be just as capable of causing new complaints. Attempting to let it run its course by ignoring it and not giving them anything more special can easily be spun to a "they don't respect us and take us seriously" argument, that can provoke a whole new generation.

I'm really not concerned about sucessive generations of Quebekers. Once again that problem solves itself. Demographically they are dying off so long as the PQ continues to badger any and all newcomers that don't speak French, and the people that do live there continue to experience a negative birth rate. They are shrinking into obscurity.