He just thinks it is cut and dry, when it is obvious that both sides are guilty to some degree, some more than others, on various aspects of the conflict in the region.
I still think Israel would win. Those Arab countries have a large population, but nothing effective like the Israeli army.
I think the invasion of Lebanon should be enough evidence to conclude that the IDF isn't nearly group of badass operators popular myth has led us to believe.
Doesn't matter how much white phosphorous you drop. Big guns don't win battles.
I think the invasion of Lebanon should be enough evidence to conclude that the IDF isn't nearly group of badass operators popular myth has led us to believe.
Doesn't matter how much white phosphorous you drop. Big guns don't win battles.
Lebanon was quite the unique situation, and yes, the IDF seemed a bit weak there; but look at ever other prior "real" war involving modern Israel. They would get attacked by the Arabs and then repel and occupy a bunch of their attackers lands. Pretty badass operators if you ask me.
Does that really need explaining? especially after reading my other posts in this thread?
Israel and Iran are hated by a lot of people, and for the right reasons.
I think you are the only one that has come out stating you hate these countries... but for arguments sake lets say you are right... other have said that.
I just want to know your reasons. You obviously have very strong feelings about this and I just would like to know the reasoning behind your hate.
Hate is such a strong word and emotion and I would like know what has driven you to feel this way.
I think you are the only one that has come out stating you hate these countries... but for arguments sake lets say you are right... other have said that.
I just want to know your reasons. You obviously have very strong feelings about this and I just would like to know the reasoning behind your hate.
Hate is such a strong word and emotion and I would like know what has driven you to feel this way.
Did you even read the post you quoted? Read my posts in this thread, and you'll have your answer.
I think you are the only one that has come out stating you hate these countries... but for arguments sake lets say you are right... other have said that.
I just want to know your reasons. You obviously have very strong feelings about this and I just would like to know the reasoning behind your hate.
Hate is such a strong word and emotion and I would like know what has driven you to feel this way.
Weren't you two arguing this exact issue before in another thread?
Lebanon was quite the unique situation, and yes, the IDF seemed a bit weak there; but look at ever other prior "real" war involving modern Israel. They would get attacked by the Arabs and then repel and occupy a bunch of their attackers lands. Pretty badass operators if you ask me.
That was 50 years ago.
What have you done for me lately? Lose to a guerilla army after an impotent invasion?
Did you even read the post you quoted? Read my posts in this thread, and you'll have your answer.
Ok... here they are....
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I'm torn. On one hand I really hate Iran and on the other I really hate Israel. Think it was the right decision in the end.
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You didn't ask me, but I was at the Lebanon-Israel border in March and was denied entry. Maybe it was my terrorist name.
Just glad I wasn't taken prisoner and abused like my parents were weeks before immigrating to Canada.
Why were you denied entry?.... and don't give us any bs that it was because of your terrrorist name.... unless of course you do have terrorist connections.
Your parents were taken prisoner? How long did they spend in an Israeli prison (I am making the assumption that it was an Iraeli prison and not Lebanese)? What were the charges?
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Why all the love for Iran and Israel? Please explain.
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Does that really need explaining? especially after reading my other posts in this thread?
Israel and Iran are hated by a lot of people, and for the right reasons.
So far I have determined that you hate Israel because they refused you entry into the country.... which of course is their right... same as Canada has the right to refuse entry to any visitor here.
.... and apparently your parents spent time in an Israeli prison (for how long we don't know) in Israel for reasons you have failed to state....
Please elucidate so we all know where you are coming from. You obviously have first hand experience dealing with the Israelis that has driven you to hate the whole country and I for one, would love to hear more.
As for your hate of the country of Iran, you haven't stated anything in this thread as to your reasons why.
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Why were you denied entry?.... and don't give us any bs that it was because of your terrrorist name.... unless of course you do have terrorist connections.
Your parents were taken prisoner? How long did they spend in an Israeli prison (I am making the assumption that it was an Iraeli prison and not Lebanese)? What were the charges?
So far I have determined that you hate Israel because they refused you entry into the country.... which of course is their right... same as Canada has the right to refuse entry to any visitor here.
.... and apparently your parents spent time in an Israeli prison (for how long we don't know) in Israel for reasons you have failed to state....
Please elucidate so we all know where you are coming from. You obviously have first hand experience dealing with the Israelis that has driven you to hate the whole country and I for one, would love to hear more.
As for your hate of the country of Iran, you haven't stated anything in this thread as to your reasons why.
Unfortunately you won't get a response as puckluck has been banned from Off Topic by the mod "JiriHrdina".
I think having some diplomacy with countries who are as backward as Iran is beneficial in the long run. Isolating a country because you do not agree with them does nothing other than cause fundamentalist groups to form and wreak havoc on the other cultures/countries that are suppressing them.
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Ah back on topic finally! good points goalie girl, the only thing is that risk may outweigh the benefits for Canada in Iran. The US, UK embassies have already been attacked and vacated, at various time the Pakistani, SA, Kuwaiti, Russian(twice) and Denmark's embassies have been attacked. Iran has a very poor record of respecting diplomatic rights and protections.
Canada is not in a position to mount a military rescue of hostages so an attack could result in humiliation at best or Canadian deaths in a worst case scenario.
I think having some diplomacy with countries who are as backward as Iran is beneficial in the long run. Isolating a country because you do not agree with them does nothing other than cause fundamentalist groups to form and wreak havoc on the other cultures/countries that are suppressing them.
I know quite a few Iranians people, mid 20's to late 20's. They are all from there but very "western". They potray their soceity there as if they're trying to move towards western ways but are hindered by the Ayatola.
Care to explain the lovely domestic/foreign policy of settlement expansion. Do you not see that as even remotely provocative.
Say for example that Canada hadn't won the War of 1812 and the US ended up with the St. Lawrence seaway as a result. Fine and dandy war lost, territory lost. NOW hypothetically, they continue to claim land over the last two centuries using tactics of oppression and intimidation, pushing the Canadian population into smaller and smaller confines. How long until we conservative Canadians are fanatics? I think Israel carries a lot of responsibility for their current plight and we should't be aligning with them in any capacity, physical or symbolic. I would agree that not a single Canadian life should be risked in the defence of Israel.
You started by asking a pretty good question, then jumped into a bunch of what-if gunk that again just vilifies Israel.
For starters, the settlements are entirely built on land that belonged to Egypt, Syria and Jordan, and all of the land was taken by Israel during times of war. Some of the countries even have peace treaties with Israel. However, the world seems to forget the origins of the land. Israel already gave back the Sinai to Egypt (which is larger than the entire country of Israel) when they signed a peace treaty and also gave back the Gaza Strip to the Palestinians and a chunk of the Westbank, and the Westbank was actually Jordan land. The goal for Israel is land for peace, you decide to be peaceful, we will give you the land.
Why does Israel build on this so called land? They were attacked and kept the strategic land. They have offered the land back, for peace treaties. Had there been someone willing to negotiate, then there probably wouldn't be an issue.
Your entire what-if scenario is based on a complete false history of the region so I won't even bother commenting.
I think the invasion of Lebanon should be enough evidence to conclude that the IDF isn't nearly group of badass operators popular myth has led us to believe.
Doesn't matter how much white phosphorous you drop. Big guns don't win battles.
Perhaps because they had to avoid civilian casualties? The terrorists that hid in southern Lebanon hide amongst civilians. This most certainly was not a war between Lebanon and Israel, and you know it. Most other countries are judged by different rules and would have carpet bombed the entire area.
