RCMP college in Fort MacLeod was a great idea until Wildrose won the riding

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Sunk cost is a new term to you?

Yes I have

You don't just keep throwing money at a project just because you've started it. Hindsight is 20/20, but given how much money could have been saved, the best decision right now was to cut it, regardless of how much had been spent to date.

I don't have a problem with them shutting down the project. Money could have been saved if they consulted with the police forces in the beginning. Question now is will the province give back the land that the province requested Fort Macleod give up?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

So in other words, there's no actual evidence to support the claim.

No need to bold your words, I can read just fine.

[Fire]

It's pretty sad that the typical PC apologists are out in full force defending this obvious corrupt government. They have done severe damage to Fort McLeod because they didn't elect the right party. To top it off they lied about the size of the deficit during the election. It's now three times the size and they haven't even started their ridiculous spending promises yet. I guess they need to hope that Oil gets up to $130 a barrel so they have a chance to balance the budget.

Alberta got what they voted for.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Fire

It's pretty sad that the typical PC apologists are out in full force defending this obvious corrupt government. They have done severe damage to Fort McLeod because they didn't elect the right party. To top it off they lied about the size of the deficit during the election. It's now three times the size and they haven't even started their ridiculous spending promises yet. I guess they need to hope that Oil gets up to $130 a barrel to they have a chance to balance the budget.

Alberta got what they voted for.

It gets better. Redford is promising no more cuts or increased taxes. Just wait until the doctors, teachers and other unions come looking for money. As Randy Bachman said in one of his songs.."You ain't seen nothing yet..."

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Seriously?

Have you got any evidence to support this ridiculous claim?

Sorry I was out to the football game and to dinner after. I recall the numbers told to me were: paid 250k and lucky to get 140k...not quite half.

I don't know whether this was an exageration or not. The point is the loss, suffered by residents in a case like this, goes beyond the main items that have been discussed.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Fire

It's pretty sad that the typical PC apologists are out in full force defending this obvious corrupt government. They have done severe damage to Fort McLeod because they didn't elect the right party. To top it off they lied about the size of the deficit during the election. It's now three times the size and they haven't even started their ridiculous spending promises yet. I guess they need to hope that Oil gets up to $130 a barrel so they have a chance to balance the budget.

Alberta got what they voted for.

Originally Posted by Dion

It gets better. Redford is promising no more cuts or increased taxes. Just wait until the doctors, teachers and other unions come looking for money. As Randy Bachman said in one of his songs.."You ain't seen nothing yet..."

Alright, the PCs screwed this up, we agree on that. As for the rest about the deficit and budget though this is just purely made-up tripe for the Wildrose. I know full well the two of you would never vote Liberal or NDP, so you're basically looking at the PC's or Wildrose, which is where I'll focus this.

First of all, how much was the Wildrose expecting to get out of energy for their budget? Where did they have a barrel of oil?

Second, and specifically to you Dion, the jab about "wait til the unions come..." is hilarious. As if the Wildrose is going to be some great union sympathizer! This is the party that wanted to freeze the public sector and cut wages. I don't think that the union leaders were salivating at negotiations in the event that the Wildrose won, but go ahead and try to spin that somehow.

Finally, how is this "severe damage" exactly? Its no more severe than a lot of other capital projects that are on the drawing board but are never built (the SW ring road comes to mind). Its a nice little to have. Sure, the province ought to have gone through this process differently, but otherwise the Wildrose has nothing to say. They either wouldn't have built the school either or they would've built it as a political favour for them winning the seat when it was otherwise unnecessary.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Slava

Alright, the PCs screwed this up, we agree on that. As for the rest about the deficit and budget though this is just purely made-up tripe for the Wildrose. I know full well the two of you would never vote Liberal or NDP, so you're basically looking at the PC's or Wildrose, which is where I'll focus this.

I like Raj Sherman as a leader. Also I have no problems in general with the PC's, just thier leader Alison Redford and the way she manages her govt.. She was not my choice when Stelmach stepped down and from what i've read it wasn't the partys choice either. Like Stemach she slipped in under that third vote

First of all, how much was the Wildrose expecting to get out of energy for their budget? Where did they have a barrel of oil?

I wouldn't know. What I don't understand is why the PC's budgeted on such high oil prices when they knew full well there would be volitility. Would it not be better to set a budget on lower conservative numbers and if the numbers do come in high, you have a surplus. This way you don't have to cancel projects, make cutbacks and not fullfil some promises you made during the election.

Second, and specifically to you Dion, the jab about "wait til the unions come..." is hilarious. As if the Wildrose is going to be some great union sympathizer! This is the party that wanted to freeze the public sector and cut wages. I don't think that the union leaders were salivating at negotiations in the event that the Wildrose won, but go ahead and try to spin that somehow.

Why not jab? They were the ones that urged thier members to vote enmass for PC's due to a threat of job cut backs that Redford fear mongered the Wildrose would do in relation to the streamlining of the system that Smith promised. Just to save ther own necks. Now these same leaders are going to be faced with possible cuts backs from a party they never thought would do such a thing. Plus the province is going to say we don't have money to give you because of less than rosey oil prices. Hope they don't cry to the media about not being treated fair.

Finally, how is this "severe damage" exactly? Its no more severe than a lot of other capital projects that are on the drawing board but are never built (the SW ring road comes to mind). Its a nice little to have. Sure, the province ought to have gone through this process differently, but otherwise the Wildrose has nothing to say. They either wouldn't have built the school either or they would've built it as a political favour for them winning the seat when it was otherwise unnecessary.

How about more than half of $7.5-million-worth of service line installations are already done. Service line installations to a now cancelled project. Redford to her credit has said she will work with the town on any hardships the town is facing. Plus the town gave land to the province for this project. Will they get it back?

As for the WR, I would hope they would have cancelled the project. What bugs me is why are we now hearing from the chiefs of police? Could the province not have consulted with them earlier on before some of this money was spent? IIRC CP police chief Rick Hansen said they weren't consulted on the project during it's early days.

[metallicat]

Dion, the money spent is over with. That's what a sunk cost is, I'm not sure you understand that. They stopped the project to stop wasting money on it. That doesn't excuse spending bad money in the past, but you can't seem to get past that issue. Aren't there better threads to use for all your complaints of the PCs?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Dion, the money spent is over with. That's what a sunk cost is, I'm not sure you understand that.

They stopped the project to stop wasting money on it. That doesn't excuse spending bad money in the past, but you can't seem to get past that issue.

Aren't there better threads to use for all your complaints of the PCs?

Should I ignore the questions posted by Slava?

[metallicat]

You should just go post more pics in the funny pics thread.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

You should just go post more pics in the funny pics thread.

Why don't you exercise your freedom of choice by not reading what I post.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ducay

If anyone honestly watches the Chief Hanson's press release and still thinks this is about politics, you're a conspiracy theorist nutjob.

It was a plan developed under another PC gov't when we were looking at moving to a Prov. force, times are tighter and that $100+M is now better spend addressing other more urgent needs in policing, rather than spending on training facilities that already exist.

Sure it was cut a bit far down the process, but they're sunk costs and as of Aug 30, the best use of taxpayers money was to cancel it and use those funds elsewhere.

The new contract with the RCMP was signed over a year ago. Why not cancel it then?

Because there was an election coming and Nanny Redford needed to string her little children along for votes. This was all about politics. No tin foil hats needed.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The new contract with the RCMP was signed over a year ago. Why not cancel it then?

Because there was an election coming and Nanny Redford needed to string her little children along for votes. This was all about politics. No tin foil hats needed.

Did the Wildrose say at any point they would cancel the school? That's politics as well.

[Resolute 14]

deflect, deflect, deflect, eh Slava?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The new contract with the RCMP was signed over a year ago. Why not cancel it then?

Because there was an election coming and Nanny Redford needed to string her little children along for votes. This was all about politics. No tin foil hats needed.

Not cancelling it at the time may have had something to do with politics - I don't know I am not in the PC Boardroom. At the same time I don't think that cancelling it now has anything to do with punishing the region for not electing a PC candidate, it just seems a little conspiracy theory like to me personally.

I agree with cancelling the entire thing especially for the costs associated with the endeavour and the fact that everyone who would be a major player (police chiefs) have come out and explicitly stated they have no use for such a facility.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Dion

It gets better. Redford is promising no more cuts or increased taxes. Just wait until the doctors, teachers and other unions come looking for money. As Randy Bachman said in one of his songs.."You ain't seen nothing yet..."

That's not what I'm reading.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Slava

Alright, the PCs screwed this up, we agree on that.

Originally Posted by Slava

Sure, the province ought to have gone through this process differently, but otherwise the Wildrose has nothing to say. They either wouldn't have built the school either or they would've built it as a political favour for them winning the seat when it was otherwise unnecessary.

The point of a government is to make fair decisions for the good of the populace. Since they're not doing that, they shouldn't be the government anymore. Who should replace them is a different question.

What the wild rose would or wouldn't have done is basically irrelevant to this, imo, the PCs screwed up, and the opposition's job is to hold them accountable.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The new contract with the RCMP was signed over a year ago. Why not cancel it then?

Because there was an election coming and Nanny Redford needed to string her little children along for votes. This was all about politics. No tin foil hats needed.

Come on Res. You can do a lot better than that.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

deflect, deflect, deflect, eh Slava?

Obviously its one of two things here:

A) you don't know

B) you know and just don't like the answer

[Resolute 14]

I already answered, actually. I said I have no idea what Wildrose would have done in the hypothetical situation where they formed government.

What Wildrose may or may not have done is completely irrelevant to what the PCs did do, and why they did it.