Avril Lavigne Engaged to Nickelback's Chad Kroeger

[Ashasx]

People may hate me for saying this, but I think all of AC/DC's songs sound the same, to the same effect as Nickelback.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

The amount of hatred directed towards two people who you've probably never met and who just make music for a living is pretty ridiculous. Ya'll need to relax. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. I wish these two the best.

I met Avril at a club once and tried to hit on her. Did the whole "pretend not to know who she was" thing. She was incredibly nice, and very, very pretty. We ended up doing a shot together. Good times.

Cue the overreacting poster. Has anyone here wished ill will towards them? I actually made a positive comment in regards to Kroeger in that he's an overachiever and my comments about Lavigne's career has nothing to do with my feelings towards her as a person. People need to understand that the word 'Hate' is a very strong word and I simply don't see hate directed towards them in this thread. Some comments about their talent and intelligence does not equal hate.

[OilKiller]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

People may hate me for saying this, but I think all of AC/DC's songs sound the same, to the same effect as Nickelback.

Maybe after Back In Black, but before then, many of their tunes where quite different and very blues based. They started to sound the same after the death of Bon Scott.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

People may hate me for saying this, but I think all of AC/DC's songs sound the same, to the same effect as Nickelback.

Yep. Their late stuff all sounds the same. I still think they were at their best with Bon Scott but that's another topic. The difference between AC/DC and Nickelback is that AC/DC has some really great old stuff to fall back on.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yeah I agree with you Senator. Thats why I'm happy with what's happening with the Black Keys. They had like 4 or 5 smaller Eps and LPs before they started to get recognition and now they are blowing up. It actually gives me hope for music that bands like them and Jack White are gaining more and more popularity. It shows that people are sick of the crappy, fabricated pop music and want something more raw and real.

God the blues is awesome!

I would disagree. There will always be rabid support for pop-rock like what Nickleback does and that's a trend I don't see changing. People act like they ruined music, but since I've been listening to music (probably 25 years) there has always been a band in the popular sphere "ruining" music. For this reason I don't see it ending anytime soon. I think bands like the White Stripes are just a result of people on either side of the bell curve getting annoyed by what's popular, and I think that is also a constant reaction to the popular music of the day.

The Black Keys are a very interesting example to bring up. Their music appeals to the crowd that rages against NB (they've even ripped on them in the media I think), yet they've also publicly backed behaviour that many would classify as selling out such as selling music to a marketing campaign.

[OilKiller]

Originally Posted by Russic

The Black Keys are a very interesting example to bring up.

Love The Black Keys.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Russic

I would disagree. There will always be rabid support for pop-rock like what Nickleback does and that's a trend I don't see changing. People act like they ruined music, but since I've been listening to music (probably 25 years) there has always been a band in the popular sphere "ruining" music. For this reason I don't see it ending anytime soon. I think bands like the White Stripes are just a result of people on either side of the bell curve getting annoyed by what's popular, and I think that is also a constant reaction to the popular music of the day.

The Black Keys are a very interesting example to bring up. Their music appeals to the crowd that rages against NB (they've even ripped on them in the media I think), yet they've also publicly backed behaviour that many would classify as selling out such as selling music to a marketing campaign.

I dont think selling your songs for marketing is selling out. As liong as theyre not CREATING the songs specifically for said campaign.

As for the bolded portion, my point is that this group of people is growing. I know when I was growing up (in middle school/highschool) all of the people my age listened to old classic rock because music of the day was soooo terrible. And now those people in my age group are either fans of this older style rock coming out, or are the ones playing it. And thus, the population is trending away from generic pop-music, or at least I hope so.

I'm not saying that everyone will convert, but its nice to see them gain popularity. Especially considering it started out as just 2 guys (still is, but their music obviously includes more instruments than just drums and guitar now).

[rayne008]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Just to show you what sellouts they are, they're from Vancouver. Ask them. It was better for helping them sell records. No lie there. Chad didn't call it 403 records, he called it 604 for a reason.

I guess what I don't get is by:

- having a dream of becoming successful by creating music
- working hard and making decisions to reach this dream
- finally achieving your dream and the fame and fortune that goes with it

that this somehow makes you a sellout....

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Canadians should be celebrating two small town kids who have talent to write catchy hooks and successful pop songs. Good on both of them.

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Ummm....then by default do you not have to also say we should celebrate Justin Bieber? Small town kid (Stratford, ONT), obviously can write catchy hooks and have succesful pop songs (not me saying this, just he has more hits than either of them combined has had in the last 5 years). Dangerous, dangerous statement right here.

Actually I don't see a problem with any of these statements. Why hate on any of them? It's not like any of them kicked your dog, did they? Go all emo and hate on society for making them stars if you want. Personally, their success has little to no bearing on my life. Good on them.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Teh_Bandwagoner

Actually I don't see a problem with any of these statements. Why hate on any of them? It's not like any of them kicked your dog, did they? Go all emo and hate on society for making them stars if you want. Personally, their success has little to no bearing on my life. Good on them.

I made this comment already but as a Flames fan, I'm guessing you've had some irrational, unjustifiable hate for Oiler and Canucks players. No difference whatsoever in hating musicians you do not like. So either don't ever have a problem with it, or always have a problem with it. Or, as you've mentioned, ignore it. Freedom to do as we please means some of us can hate Nickelback and some can defend them. And we're all entitled to our thoughts. Don't like them? Don't comment on them.

Originally Posted by rayne008

I guess what I don't get is by:

- having a dream of becoming stressful by creating music
- working hard and making decisions to reach this dream
- finally achieving your dream and the fame and fortune that goes with it

that this somehow makes you a sellout....

I know it was a typo but I had to laugh at the first point.

Going from a sound that got them little to no popularity (their first two CDs), to a sound that makes the multi-platinum....not sure what other word you could use. It's all about how you get there. The White Stripes and Black Keys are examples in this thread. They continued to have the same approach to making music even as they got more popular. Nickelback though, look at the 3 album run of Silver Side, Long Road and Right Reasons. Silver Side, filled with big time radio ready hits, sells huge. Long Road lacks those same radio ready hits, sells much worse than Silver Side. So with Right Reasons, there they go again, lots of radio ready hits, massive seller.

Nickelback's goal is to sell records. First and foremost. It isn't to create music as art, its to be rich. As such, congratulations to them on achieving their goals. But their goals are what quantifies as selling out within music. Artistic ambitions are irrelavent to them. Making money is whats relevant. If they were driven by art and happened to become very succesful, then you couldn't call them sellouts. But if you told Chad that auto-tuning their next album would ensure 10X platinum sales, I'd betcha we'll be hearing some auto-tuned Nickelback.

[Nyah]

[rayne008]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I made this comment already but as a Flames fan, I'm guessing you've had some irrational, unjustifiable hate for Oiler and Canucks players. No difference whatsoever in hating musicians you do not like. So either don't ever have a problem with it, or always have a problem with it. Or, as you've mentioned, ignore it. Freedom to do as we please means some of us can hate Nickelback and some can defend them. And we're all entitled to our thoughts. Don't like them? Don't comment on them.



I know it was a typo but I had to laugh at the first point.

Going from a sound that got them little to no popularity (their first two CDs), to a sound that makes the multi-platinum....not sure what other word you could use. It's all about how you get there. The White Stripes and Black Keys are examples in this thread. They continued to have the same approach to making music even as they got more popular. Nickelback though, look at the 3 album run of Silver Side, Long Road and Right Reasons. Silver Side, filled with big time radio ready hits, sells huge. Long Road lacks those same radio ready hits, sells much worse than Silver Side. So with Right Reasons, there they go again, lots of radio ready hits, massive seller.

Nickelback's goal is to sell records. First and foremost. It isn't to create music as art, its to be rich. As such, congratulations to them on achieving their goals. But their goals are what quantifies as selling out within music. Artistic ambitions are irrelavent to them. Making money is whats relevant. If they were driven by art and happened to become very succesful, then you couldn't call them sellouts. But if you told Chad that auto-tuning their next album would ensure 10X platinum sales, I'd betcha we'll be hearing some auto-tuned Nickelback.

Fair enough.. I know nothing of their music, certainly could not name any albums and only a handful of songs.

You obviously have followed the band for some time and noticed changes, whereas I only know a few songs.

I guess it's this intense hatred of the band that makes zero sense to me. Like that yahoo who did the concert review in a paper, without even going to the show.

[saskflames69]

Nickelback is just watered-down Alice in Chains without the soul of Layne Staley's vocals.

And why does Nickelback sound so pissed off in their newer songs? This Means War sounds like a 3:30 long death threat towards someone.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by rayne008

Fair enough.. I know nothing of their music, certainly could not name any albums and only a handful of songs.

You obviously have followed the band for some time and noticed changes, whereas I only know a few songs.

I guess it's this intense hatred of the band that makes zero sense to me. Like that yahoo who did the concert review in a paper, without even going to the show.

Mike Bell (what is it with Calgary writers and the last name Bell totally sucking) is a pretty big time hack. His reviews are often laughable. I think as I mentioned before I'm not sure how many people hate Nickelback intensly so much as they don't like how much play they get as a band compared to some other artists.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by troutman

Not me. Some people want to make art, and fame and money are irrelevant motivations.

And they can take their artsy noble intentions to the bank. Oh wait no they can't.

[YYC in LAX]

Everything about this marriage and thread is rank.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Mike Bell (what is it with Calgary writers and the last name Bell totally sucking) is a pretty big time hack. His reviews are often laughable.

Wrong. He knows his stuff, and the Calgary music scene.

[Bobblehead]

The only thing I have against Nickelback is how massively they were overplayed, along with Creed. Then Theory of a Deadman came along and it seemed like CJay was all "Theory of a Creedelback" all the time. I just got really sick of it. But the hate for them is just way over the top, IMHO. As overplayed as their music was, people zealously trying to one-up each other with Nickelback insults is at least as bad.

[North East Goon]

I bet Chad gets Avril to pump up those mams a little.

[saskflames69]

I'll just leave this here..

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