When the male pill comes out .........it'll be a game changer.
I doubt it as I imagine that a male contraceptive pill would probably come with some heavy side effects due to the alteration of hormone production in men that most would not take it.
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I doubt it as I imagine that a male contraceptive pill would probably come with some heavy side effects due to the alteration of hormone production in men that most would not take it.
I will never really understand what is so difficult about wrapping up. My girlfriend is on the patch. There is pretty much no chance she could get pregnant, but I still wrap it because I want to take every precaution I can.
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The worst case is abortion law. If a man wants to raise the child and the women wants to abort the child. The baby is killed. No questions asked.
If the man wants to carry a fetus around for nine months, let it sap him of his energy, calcium, other nutrients, etc, then by all means, he has a say in the matter. Until a man can carry a fetus to term, he has no say in the matter.
(Obviously committed relationships will have some variance, but the final say, in the end, goes to the woman. Her body.)
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The dark underlying sexism is probably the ugliest part of the CP community.
It's not just part of the CP community, it's part of the world as a whole. For ages, men have treated women as the weaker sex, and now finally, after a whole lot of challenging battles and entirely too many years, there are factors that show that finally there IS some equality between men and women, now men feel like they're being "discriminated against."
Are there cases of abuse where the woman abuses the man? Of course there are. Are there adequate resources for men to get help? Probably not. But there is also a constant attack on women, especially in the US. They want to shut down Planned Parenthood, which while performing some abortions, is mostly there to provide low income women with sexual healthcare, birth control, annual exams, STD screening--things that are vital to women's health, but male legislators are always trying to take these things away.
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I've got no sympathy for those who come into hard decisions because they didn't practice safe sex. That being said.. if they were in a committed relationship and suddenly the girlfriend/wife changed her mind (let's assume both parties had discussed having a child at length) I would certainly understand and feel for the boyfriend/husband. I don't think that is a scenario that plays out too often--but then again I could be wrong. *shrugs*
Use condoms and birth control and there is no issue.
In what realm are condoms and birth control 100%? Both still have a low risk factor involved, even when used in tandem. The only "non-issue" for pregnancy is if one abstains entirely. Or just has oral sex.
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Is misandry a problem in the west? Nooooooo.....
If the situation was reversed and a man on a talk show was making jokes about a woman who was brutally mutilated, there would be national outrage.
Men have always been considered disposable. Sperm=plentiful, egg=rare.
I think misandry has been a natural result of modern feminism. You see it everywhere in advertising and entertainment.
Just this summer, Daniel Tosh made a horrible joke about a woman being raped, and while women spoke out against him, he was lauded for his "creativity" by men in the industry. Women are told to "not be so sensitive" about a topic which affects 1 in 4 of us. Men do make jokes about these things, all the time, and we're expected to shut up and deal with it.
The claim of misandry is one that makes me equally amused and enraged. Look at simple examples: on those TV shows where the man is dumb and bumbling--look at the wife he's got. Is she ever less than an 8 on the scale 1-10? Never. Look at movies--a guy like Seth Rogen, from Zack and Miri...he bags a girl who looks like Elizabeth Banks. But an overweight, average looking woman in a movie? She's comedic fodder, the "ugly friend" or the sidekick, something of that nature. How often does the average girl get the hot guy in a tv show or movie?
I hate Kristen Stewart, but look at this latest "scandal." She sleeps with a director, okay, fine. She's young and has a boyfriend, sleeps with a married man. She's turned into a villain. The director she slept with is married with children, and he gets none of the blame. She loses her role for the next film, he keeps his job for it. Commercials aimed at women all express the idea that all we should be worrying about is cleaning the house or keeping our figure. Men's commercials are about power and success, ours are about swiffering the kitchen floor until it shines!
A woman who has multiple sexual partners is a slut, a man who has multiple sexual partners is awesome. If a girl wants to wear boy clothes and play sports, she's a tomboy, it's harmless! But if a boy likes dolls or dressup, his parents take him to a therapist, because hey, why would anyone want to be like the weaker sex?
It happens every single day in a billion subtle ways, and all men see is that GASP finally women have some actual power in society. It's still not equal, not even close, and the idea that "misandry" is a problem is an absolute joke.
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I doubt it as I imagine that a male contraceptive pill would probably come with some heavy side effects due to the alteration of hormone production in men that most would not take it.
I am sure they said the same things when the female pill came out decades ago.
In what realm are condoms and birth control 100%? Both still have a low risk factor involved, even when used in tandem. The only "non-issue" for pregnancy is if one abstains entirely. Or just has oral sex.
And later on I clarified by saying I'd rather take the 97-99% effectiveness of those said things. I'm not even sure why you're mentioning it.. "non-issue" is a pretty safe bet considering the statistics. Society isn't ever going to become 'sex is only for marriage' and I'm glad we have so many options nowadays.
In what realm are condoms and birth control 100%? Both still have a low risk factor involved, even when used in tandem. The only "non-issue" for pregnancy is if one abstains entirely. Or just has oral sex.
There's also the backdoor and the snip. Just saying.
I will never really understand what is so difficult about wrapping up. My girlfriend is on the patch. There is pretty much no chance she could get pregnant, but I still wrap it because I want to take every precaution I can.
XL condoms are expensive I just cant fit the cheap off the rack stuff.
Odd how we can have a hundred post thread defending the rights of gays but then have this thread belittling the real violence and discrimination that women face and standing up for "men's rights."
Commercials aimed at women all express the idea that all we should be worrying about is cleaning the house or keeping our figure. Men's commercials are about power and success, ours are about swiffering the kitchen floor until it shines!
I agree with your post except this part. Do commercials really express an idea that women should be doing this or that? If they do, then men should be just as offended that there are just as many commercials expressing that men should be handymen, good with cars, should enjoy crappy beer, should castigate nerdy "intellectual" types and geeks, should drive a pickup truck, should feel that their heterosexuality is constantly under attack from the things women "do to us" in long term relationships, and countless other stupid male stereotypes that don't define most of us. Are commercials really "expressing the idea" that we're supposed to be that way or are they just marketing a product to a crowd that already is that way?
I guess there's another part I disagree with too. Yeah it's practically a prerequisite that women be attractive to be on TV unless they're the ugly sidekick or whatever, but it's a bit disingenuous to say that that only works one way. People want to look at attractive people, period. 95% of men on TV are just as attractive, be it simply handsome or also ridiculously muscular work-out junkies, unless they too are playing a "funny guy" role like Seth Rogen or character role like Steve Buscemi. The industry devoted to objectifying women is many times larger than that of men but unrealistic body types and standards for beauty exist for both sexes.
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It's not just part of the CP community, it's part of the world as a whole. For ages, men have treated women as the weaker sex, and now finally, after a whole lot of challenging battles and entirely too many years, there are factors that show that finally there IS some equality between men and women, now men feel like they're being "discriminated against."
I find it's just worse on the Internet as a whole, as are most issues. Racism is a great example of it...people behind a curtain of anonimity, given an audience, don't mind saying things few have the courage to say normally. I think it was Penny Arcade which coined the term "GIFT" to describe it (Greater Internet Fatawad Theory). But as I mentioned earlier, the Internet never seems to tire of the "if you're a woman, show us your boobs" or the "back in the kitchen" jokes. Far past its expiration date. And the ongoing usage makes me wonder if it's an actual issue rather than the non-serious humour it sounded like earlier...because they are as dead as Chuck Norris jokes.
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Just this summer, Daniel Tosh made a horrible joke about a woman being raped, and while women spoke out against him, he was lauded for his "creativity" by men in the industry. Women are told to "not be so sensitive" about a topic which affects 1 in 4 of us. Men do make jokes about these things, all the time, and we're expected to shut up and deal with it.
I find it a bit intresting that when Michael Richards throws out racial slurs, his career dies, when Tracy Morgan says he'd pull a knife and stab him, he had to attend sensitivity classes...yet, when Tosh makes such comments, it's the offended party that's told to be less sensitive.
I don't have all the details on Tosh's joke, so I'm in no position to judge, but it's unusual from what I know.
Just this summer, Daniel Tosh made a horrible joke about a woman being raped, and while women spoke out against him, he was lauded for his "creativity" by men in the industry. Women are told to "not be so sensitive" about a topic which affects 1 in 4 of us. Men do make jokes about these things, all the time, and we're expected to shut up and deal with it.
The claim of misandry is one that makes me equally amused and enraged. Look at simple examples: on those TV shows where the man is dumb and bumbling--look at the wife he's got. Is she ever less than an 8 on the scale 1-10? Never. Look at movies--a guy like Seth Rogen, from Zack and Miri...he bags a girl who looks like Elizabeth Banks. But an overweight, average looking woman in a movie? She's comedic fodder, the "ugly friend" or the sidekick, something of that nature. How often does the average girl get the hot guy in a tv show or movie?
I hate Kristen Stewart, but look at this latest "scandal." She sleeps with a director, okay, fine. She's young and has a boyfriend, sleeps with a married man. She's turned into a villain. The director she slept with is married with children, and he gets none of the blame. She loses her role for the next film, he keeps his job for it. Commercials aimed at women all express the idea that all we should be worrying about is cleaning the house or keeping our figure. Men's commercials are about power and success, ours are about swiffering the kitchen floor until it shines!
A woman who has multiple sexual partners is a slut, a man who has multiple sexual partners is awesome. If a girl wants to wear boy clothes and play sports, she's a tomboy, it's harmless! But if a boy likes dolls or dressup, his parents take him to a therapist, because hey, why would anyone want to be like the weaker sex?
It happens every single day in a billion subtle ways, and all men see is that GASP finally women have some actual power in society. It's still not equal, not even close, and the idea that "misandry" is a problem is an absolute joke.
A couple points on your post;
-Daniel Tosh is a comedian. He was attacked promptly for his non-pc act. Meanwhile, men are constantly being portrayed as dumb, violent, uncaring, incompetent fools, and violence against them is funny, because they can take it.
-Who cares if an ugly man is paired with an attractive woman on TV? I got news for you. Upon meeting a woman, a man judges her for her attractiveness and that alone. If you don't pass the boner test, he will not stick around and get to know you for your sparkling personality. The sexes are vastly different, regardless of what Gender/Womens Studies/Liberals tell you.
-Yes, promiscuous women are sluts. They are a bad long term investment. Men value more chast behavior from women they wish to commit to. There are biological reasons for this. A man can never be certain of paternity where a woman does have certainty.
Go on, how else are the sexes "not even close" to being equal?
