Divide deepens between Quebec and rest of Canada

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

I was merely responding to the far-fetched situation you concocted in this post:

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...6&postcount=76

Rerun said that Quebec might strike some kind of deal to join France. You replied that if that were to happen, Canada should declare war on France-Quebec. Your post showed a tremendously immature comprehension of global politics.

I guess I should have used green text because I was not serious. I didn't think Rerun was serious either, France is not going to stir up a big political mess by taking on Quebec either. Canada is not going to declare war on anybody except terrorism.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Delgar

I find it interesting that many comments about separation, in this thread and in others, assume that a Quebec nation would become responsible for a share of the Government of Canada's debt, almost like its automatic. In fact that issue would become a huge mess.

Countries have broken up before. I would assume that there is an established solution to this issue.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by SebC

Countries have broken up before. I would assume that there is an established solution to this issue.

The most recent example is Sudan and South Sudan. They are currently negotiating a huge number of things and debt is definitely one of them.

In the end, I would guess that Canada would not be able to transfer debt to Quebec but would instead have to issue Quebec new debt for their share. If you had loaned money to Canada I don't think you would agree to have that debt transferred to a new country with no track record.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by SebC

Countries have broken up before. I would assume that there is an established solution to this issue.

There are no rules. There is no high court or authority to which both parties have to submit. If a new Quebec government refused to take on debt, they can not be legally forced to change their mind. International law isn't really law at all unless the parties submitting to it agree to enforce it.

It matters not what other countries might have done when breaking apart. All that matters is what the parties ultimately accept.

Its a big problem.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

The most recent example is Sudan and South Sudan. They are currently negotiating a huge number of things and debt is definitely one of them.

In the end, I would guess that Canada would not be able to transfer debt to Quebec but would instead have to issue Quebec new debt for their share. If you had loaned money to Canada I don't think you would agree to have that debt transferred to a new country with no track record.

Yeah but, assume Canada issues Quebec this "new debt", and Quebec says, no way, not paying. Then what?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Yeah but, assume Canada issues Quebec this "new debt", and Quebec says, no way, not paying. Then what?

We attack them!

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Well, here's your initial quote...


Well, I just showed you a federally elected leader was more than willing to be at the helm when seperation was less than 1% from happening. Seperation isn't happening because the support isn't there, period. People can think all they want that Quebec is full of non-stop hating of english and the rest of Canada, but that simply isn't true. 95 was the perfect storm and seperation still didn't happen. It's never going to.

I wouldn't be too certain...things can change with time. They came so close the last time that only a small minority of people could change the outcome.

I don't think I will ever forgive France for meddling in our affairs e.g. de Gualle's "Vivre Quebec Libre", and the arrangement with France that they would immediately recognize Quebec as a sovereign nation, if the referendum had been positive for separation.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Hans Landa

You can't really suggest something of the people of Quebec and have it's culture out of the equation. It's what the province is known for preserving better than any other province in Canada.

What culture is that exactly?

[simmonjam1]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Texas is always threatening to secede, though I'd imagine most Americans would whole-heartedly approve if they did.

I've always heard from Texans that they were the only State that could legally secede from the Union. Something to do with One of the conditions of Texas joining the USA back in the day.

[Hans Landa]

Originally Posted by zamler

What culture is that exactly?

Look it up

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Hans Landa

Look it up

Okay I did, it all said that Quebec culture is not important.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Hans Landa

Hmm.

So people who contribute nothing to Canada and take, take, take (advantage of, perhaps?) from Canada's generosity should be kicked out?

I agree (not in the case of Quebec because I don't believe they contribute nothing), but...

I love how one can get away with saying that, about the people of distinct culture who played a major role in the founding of this country, but if you applied that same logic to any non-anglophone or non-francophone immigrant culture that abuses the generosity of Canada it would be an immediate lifetime ban for racist comments.

Isn't this what got you banned in the first place?

Can you keep your mouth shut, I like your contribution in the photo thread.

[zamler]

What previously banned poster is Hans Landa, and is that a partial anagram or some other hint?

[Hans Landa]

Originally Posted by zamler

Okay I did, it all said that Quebec culture is not important.

I'm glad you set a precedent that allows us to openly post which cultures we feel are not important, especially of one whose blood runs so deep in Canadian history, it is second only to Aboriginal culture.


If I was a liberal, I'd call you a racist bigot neanderthal redneck from a parasite community (then I'd graffiti your home, car and place of business), only I'm not suffering from myopia enough to say or do something so stupid.

[Hans Landa]

Originally Posted by zamler

What previously banned poster is Hans Landa, and is that a partial anagram or some other hint?

Hans Landa is character in Inglorious #######s.

I hate this name, as my previous name is one that I've used on various forums for over 10 years. I just happened to be watching the film while creating this account and was enjoying the milk discussion with Monsieur LaPadite.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by simmonjam1

I've always heard from Texans that they were the only State that could legally secede from the Union. Something to do with One of the conditions of Texas joining the USA back in the day.

I hear they also have the right to turn into 5 states if they want to. Not really sure why they would want that though.

[zamler]

oops

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by Delgar

Yeah but, assume Canada issues Quebec this "new debt", and Quebec says, no way, not paying. Then what?

Then Canada blocks Quebec's access to NAFTA and puts a tariff on all goods shipped through Quebec, we can also freeze the assets of any Quebec company or individual in the rest of Canada. This would include those held by the big 5 Canadian banks.
I am not saying that any of this would happen, just that it is a step between breaking off negotiations and warfare. There is a reason that no two countries with integrated supply chains have gone to war. The economic damage would be far greater than the value of the debt.

[Kjesse]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Then Canada blocks Quebec's access to NAFTA and puts a tariff on all goods shipped through Quebec, we can also freeze the assets of any Quebec company or individual in the rest of Canada. This would include those held by the big 5 Canadian banks.
I am not saying that any of this would happen, just that it is a step between breaking off negotiations and warfare. There is a reason that no two countries with integrated supply chains have gone to war. The economic damage would be far greater than the value of the debt.

Exactly. Well said. There is an economic solution, if that pressure works, great. If not, the Government of Canada still has the same debt but about 9 million less people to tax to pay. If that doesn't work, you've suggested the military gets involved.

That's my point. Separation is potentially very messy. I would never suggest a military solution but I might support bankrupting the federal government. Tough call in that extreme circumstance.

[Shin Pad]

Maybe we should just deport all the french people out of Quebec and start over

Seriously though, I don't see Quebec ever separating anytime soon.