Tim Thomas Stands with Chick-Fil-A (i.e. against gay marriage)

[Reaper]

Personally, I can't believe that it is 2012 and that something so entry level as sexual orientation is a stumbling block for so many people. I guess ignorance breeds ignorance.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I know of several Christians who are for gay marriage, but they aren't hardcore Christians. I'd say if you were specific to Evangelicals, then you're almost certain to find few or none within that congregation that are for any gay rights whatsoever.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Why distort the issue though? Your single comment might not make a difference. But if everyone involved in discussion makes comments that don't offer a realistic point of view about the whole thing pretty soon it becomes US vs THEM and nobody can remember what started the whole thing.

I don't understand this need to pigeonhole everything.

Being Christian and homosexual are not mutually exclusive, though I'm sure some people believe they are. I'm neither. I would just hope for civility, respect and honesty. Doesn't seem to be much of that anymore.

You know fully well the Christians I was referring to, and you're only looking to nit-pick. Unless you're living under a rock or haven't been following along in this thread, Christians inside Chick-Fil-A have been staging sit-ins for the past couple of days to celebrate their values and their anti-gay marriage stance. It's pigeon-holing nothing, and you're doing little but attempting to tippy-toe around the issue in an attempt not to offend.

[Devils'Advocate]

So those that are not affiliate with any religion overwhelmingly support same sex marriage. Evangelical Christians overwhelmingly oppose. I think this is one issue that is going to be polarized no matter what you want it to be.

What surprised me by that study was the non-Christian bar. Muslims are very strongly against same sex marriage. So who falls in that group to slant it that far towards favouring same sex marriage? Jewish? Buddhist?

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You know fully well the Christians I was referring to, and you're only looking to nit-pick. Unless you're living under a rock or haven't been following along in this thread, Christians inside Chick-Fil-A have been staging sit-ins for the past couple of days to celebrate their values and their anti-gay marriage stance. It's pigeon-holing nothing, and you're doing little but attempting to tippy-toe around the issue in an attempt not to offend.

You know what it's called when you judge an entire identifiable group based on the perceived attitudes and actions of a small subset of that group, don't you?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Knalus

You know what it's called when you judge an entire identifiable group based on the perceived attitudes and actions of a small subset of that group, don't you?

Do you take me for a fool? When did I judge every Christian as being anti-gay? My post was referring to the Christians inside that have been staging sit-ins against gay-marriage. You know, one of the primary topics of discussion in this thread?

Take your strawman and attempts at obfuscation and go elsewhere.

Or, wait, maybe stay and answer the questions you've been avoiding this entire thread?

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Do you take me for a fool? When did I judge every Christian as being anti-gay? My post was referring to the Christians inside that have been staging sit-ins against gay-marriage. You know, one of the primary topics of discussion in this thread?

Take your strawman and attempts at obfuscation and go elsewhere.

Or, wait, maybe stay and answer the questions you've been avoiding this entire thread?

Now, that's interesting.

You got mad at the implications of the question I just asked you. A simple question.

You also didn't answer the question. That's also interesting.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Knalus

You know what it's called when you judge an entire identifiable group based on the perceived attitudes and actions of a small subset of that group, don't you?

I would never judge evangelical Christians by the small subset that actually supports equal rights and gay marriage. I would judge the majority of them based on their overwhelming opposition to equal rights and gay marriage.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Now, that's interesting.

You got mad at the implications of the question I just asked you. A simple question.

You also didn't answer the question. That's also interesting.

Your question was ridiculous though, you stated that one was judging a group by a small subset. The reality is that one was judging a group based on the overwhelming majority of people in that group and how they feel about a certain issue.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Now, that's interesting.

You got mad at the implications of the question I just asked you. A simple question.

You also didn't answer the question. That's also interesting.

You honestly contribute nothing to this thread.

[HOOT]

Gay vandals in California!

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

You honestly contribute nothing to this thread.

Why don't you answer the question you are avoiding?

Don't like being baited now, do you? Neither do I.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Bow Chick-fil-A Wow Wow!

[EddyBeers]

This article http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0723/080.html sum up Chick-a-Fil's philosophy in a nutshell.

That's not the only company mandate. Chick-fil-A's corporate mission, as stated on a plaque at company headquarters (and by Cathy), is to "glorify God." It is the only national fast-food chain that closes on Sunday so operators can go to church and spend time with their families; franchisees who don't go along with the rule risk having their contracts terminated. Company meetings and retreats include prayers, and the company encourages franchisees to market their restaurants through church groups.

Cathy, who says he would probably fire an employee or terminate an operator who "has been sinful or done something harmful to their family members."

Aziz Latif, a former Chick-fil-A restaurant manager in Houston, sued the company in 2002 after Latif, a Muslim, says he was fired a day after he didn't participate in a group prayer to Jesus Christ at a company training program in 2000.

Now he can run his business whatever way he wants, but anyone who actually thinks that these "supporters" of Chick-a-Fil are anything other than 95% evangelical Christians is deluding themselves.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Your question was ridiculous though, you stated that one was judging a group by a small subset. The reality is that one was judging a group based on the overwhelming majority of people in that group and how they feel about a certain issue.

My question was in direct response to a quote which stated "You know fully well the Christians I was referring to", when he didn't make that clarification, and was clearly painting all with a pretty broad brush.

As to your comment on "overwhelming majority", I'll refer you to the graph posted above.

Evangelicals do not constitute the majority of Christians in America today. They constitute approx. 37% of Christians.
http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2001...rica-poll.aspx

So, why is it that it appears to be an "overwhelming majority"? For the same reason that it appears that the majority of Americans are conservative even though we have a democrat elected by popular vote - they are the loudest.

My question was not ridiculous.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Why don't you answer the question you are avoiding?

Don't like being baited now, do you? Neither do I.

Your question should have , as it relates to evangelical Christians

You know what it's called when you judge an entire identifiable group based on the attitudes and actions of the vast majority members of that group, don't you?

I think you misspoke or else you do not know what the overwhelming majority of members of the evangelical Christian community's attitudes and actions are.

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by EddyBeers

Your question should have , as it relates to evangelical Christians



I think you misspoke or else you do not know what the overwhelming majority of members of the evangelical Christian community's attitudes and actions are.

You did say Evangelical Christians, I will give you that.

Others did not, and I was addressing them.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Knalus

You did say Evangelical Christians, I will give you that.

Others did not, and I was addressing them.

That you couldn't infer that from the context of the discussion means you're either being intentionally obtuse, or I've finally found out who the people are that they put instructions on the backs of shampoo bottles for.

I've read the entire thread and there was no doubt in my mind as to who HPL could possibly have been referring to.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Knalus

Why don't you answer the question you are avoiding?

Don't like being baited now, do you? Neither do I.

I'm not answering you because I already have above. Good Lord, man, I realize you think you are being exceedingly clever, but read. The vast majority of Evangelical Christians are anti-gay marriage. It is more than safe to assume the vast majority of these Christians responding to the requests of evangelical leaders to stage these Chick-Fil-A sit-ins in defense of their anti-gay marriage values are Evangelical Christians. However, I wasn't even referring to all Evangelical Christians: I was referring specifically to those that responded to this call and went to Chick-Fil-A to show their support for the anti-gay marriage stance.

Now, the questions you've repeatedly avoided (that actually pertain to the topic on hand), answer. Otherwise, you just look like a troll, especially with the text you tried to hide.

1) Why do gay marriages not count as marriages by definition? "Because' is not an answer.

2) How are you personally affected by the legalization of gay marriages?

3) Why is the definition changing "too important a thing to let change"?

4) What are the actual losses you've experienced since the legalization of gay marriage in Canada?

Answer them, because avoiding them the way you have make you look like someone spouting nonsense without a point, and is not how educated adults have discussions. And if you're incapable of defending rationally what you are saying, why are you still here?

[Knalus]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I'm not answering you because I already have above.

I don't see an answer to the question "You know what it's called when you judge an entire identifiable group based on the perceived attitudes and actions of a small subset of that group, don't you?"