The Dark Knight Rises: July 20, 2012

[Caged Great]

my order of preference the movies

TDKR
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TDK

Loved this one and will be seeing it again soon.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Quick question: Don't read a ton of Batman, don't own a single issue with Ra's in it.

Is that either the Lazarus Pit or some sort of homage to it? Or am I making connections that don't exist?

I'm sure I could find an answer by googling it but I'm lazy.

EDIT: You people are so lazy. Yes, it is a version of the Lazarus Pit.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Here's the all time biggest jump in logic about the Batman series: Batman is clearly identified as a Gotham citizen. Said citizen seems to have the most expensive, high tech and advanced gear, toys and weapons in town. The citizen is also male, fairly young, obviously very wealthy to afford the toys Batman has, and is in outstanding physical condition. Is there anyone in Gotham besides Bruce Wayne that fits the description? The people of Gotham have to be pretty dumb to not know who Batman is.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The more I think about the movie the less I think of it.

The script was not tight at all. Pacing and structure just didn't work. Bane was done poorly. Action was remedial. The mid movie interlude was just confusing. Quite mediocre, undoubtedly the worst movie of the series. You could tell the Nolans were mailing this one in and that Christopher had grown quite tired of the series by the time they finished shooting.

Mailing it in?

Give me a break.

[ComixZone]

I've seen it twice now (will catch it a 3rd time this week), and I must say that while certain parts of the movie don't lend themselves very well to repeat viewings, one that absolutely does and shockingly so in my opinion - is Bane. I liked him as a character during my first viewing, but during my 2nd viewing, he really stood out as a pillar for the movie.

I love this trilogy so dang much. I sincerely hope DC doesn't screw it up and flat out reboot Batman to fit in with their superhero stable going forward. This trilogy must be a part of it. This trilogy should be the backbone for all things DC moving forward.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I've seen it twice now (will catch it a 3rd time this week), and I must say that while certain parts of the movie don't lend themselves very well to repeat viewings, one that absolutely does and shockingly so in my opinion - is Bane. I liked him as a character during my first viewing, but during my 2nd viewing, he really stood out as a pillar for the movie.

I love this trilogy so dang much. I sincerely hope DC doesn't screw it up and flat out reboot Batman to fit in with their superhero stable going forward. This trilogy must be a part of it. This trilogy should be the backbone for all things DC moving forward.

Considering DC/WB has hired the same writing team behind the awful Green Lantern movie to basically write every DC movie coming out (Flash, Wonder Woman, The Justice League, etc.), I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Superman will be good, everything else from DC will be terrible.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Here's the all time biggest jump in logic about the Batman series: Batman is clearly identified as a Gotham citizen. Said citizen seems to have the most expensive, high tech and advanced gear, toys and weapons in town. The citizen is also male, fairly young, obviously very wealthy to afford the toys Batman has, and is in outstanding physical condition. Is there anyone in Gotham besides Bruce Wayne that fits the description? The people of Gotham have to be pretty dumb to not know who Batman is.

That's always easy to answer. Comes into play with Iron Man too.

So Bruce admits to bankrolling Batman. Big deal? Doesn't prove it's him.

Batman doesn't have to be rich at all. He just needs someone supporting him.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

That's always easy to answer. Comes into play with Iron Man too.

So Bruce admits to bankrolling Batman. Big deal? Doesn't prove it's him.

Batman doesn't have to be rich at all. He just needs someone supporting him.

I'm guessing Bruce Wayne wouldn't admit to bankrolling Batman, since then the bad guys would simply target him and his loved ones to get to Batman?

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I've seen it twice now (will catch it a 3rd time this week), and I must say that while certain parts of the movie don't lend themselves very well to repeat viewings, one that absolutely does and shockingly so in my opinion - is Bane. I liked him as a character during my first viewing, but during my 2nd viewing, he really stood out as a pillar for the movie.

I love this trilogy so dang much. I sincerely hope DC doesn't screw it up and flat out reboot Batman to fit in with their superhero stable going forward. This trilogy must be a part of it. This trilogy should be the backbone for all things DC moving forward.

I'd rather see it as something that stands on it's own. I'd hate to see something amazing be ruined by a horrible sequel *cough*Spider-man 3/X-men 3/Wolverine Origins*cough* But yes, Bane was really awesome in the movie. It totally sucks that he just ends up being Talia's dog. Bane is an intelligent villain so it wasn't necessary to have another person pulling the strings. I get why they did it though.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm guessing Bruce Wayne wouldn't admit to bankrolling Batman, since then the bad guys would simply target him and his loved ones to get to Batman?

Well then he claims Batman stole from them. And that he can't wait to recapture the stolen technology that Batman took from him.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I've seen it twice now (will catch it a 3rd time this week), and I must say that while certain parts of the movie don't lend themselves very well to repeat viewings, one that absolutely does and shockingly so in my opinion - is Bane. I liked him as a character during my first viewing, but during my 2nd viewing, he really stood out as a pillar for the movie.

I love this trilogy so dang much. I sincerely hope DC doesn't screw it up and flat out reboot Batman to fit in with their superhero stable going forward. This trilogy must be a part of it. This trilogy should be the backbone for all things DC moving forward.

^ This. I liked Bane on the first showing, LOVED him the second go around. Powerful film villain, one of my favorites. Ledger's Joker and Hardy's Bane will go down as some of the best on-screen villains ever.

I also found the scene where he climbs out of the pit just absolutely perfect, noticed it a lot more the second time. Just the parallels to when he first falls down the pit in Begins, to when he's just about to make the jump and the bats fly out, and he is scared of them, showing that he's regained his fear and has become Batman again. Brilliant scene.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by cDnStealth

I'd rather see it as something that stands on it's own. I'd hate to see something amazing be ruined by a horrible sequel *cough*Spider-man 3/X-men 3/Wolverine Origins*cough* But yes, Bane was really awesome in the movie. It totally sucks that he just ends up being Talia's dog. Bane is an intelligent villain so it wasn't necessary to have another person pulling the strings. I get why they did it though.

Because then their would be no plot twist at the end of the movie.

Bane is still a terrible villain in the comics. I wish Knightfall never happened.

One awesome batman story line you should read is Venom. Batman gets addicted to the same steroids that bane uses. Pretty good story and awesome roid rage by Bats.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Because then their would be no plot twist at the end of the movie.

Bane is still a terrible villain in the comics. I wish Knightfall never happened.

One awesome batman story line you should read is Venom. Batman gets addicted to the same steroids that bane uses. Pretty good story and awesome roid rage by Bats.

Agreed. This is the best use of the Bane character by far.

[cDnStealth]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Because then their would be no plot twist at the end of the movie.

Bane is still a terrible villain in the comics. I wish Knightfall never happened.

One awesome batman story line you should read is Venom. Batman gets addicted to the same steroids that bane uses. Pretty good story and awesome roid rage by Bats.

Thanks I'll have to check that out.

[GreenLantern]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Here's the all time biggest jump in logic about the Batman series: Batman is clearly identified as a Gotham citizen. Said citizen seems to have the most expensive, high tech and advanced gear, toys and weapons in town. The citizen is also male, fairly young, obviously very wealthy to afford the toys Batman has, and is in outstanding physical condition. Is there anyone in Gotham besides Bruce Wayne that fits the description? The people of Gotham have to be pretty dumb to not know who Batman is.

I guess that is where the whole "wearing a mask" thing comes into play.

He comes off as this spoiled, arrogant, drunk rich kid. Who would think that Bruce Wayne, who can't even sit on his own board of directors, would be able to pull it together well enough to be Batman?

Bruce Wayne becomes an act more than the Batman does as time goes on in his world. He begins to identify more with one than the other. Which is why when the Batman is no longer needed he becomes this recluse that seems to have lost his identity. It also explains that when a chance to take up the cowl shows itself again he is so eager.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Because then their would be no plot twist at the end of the movie.

Bane is still a terrible villain in the comics. I wish Knightfall never happened.

One awesome batman story line you should read is Venom. Batman gets addicted to the same steroids that bane uses. Pretty good story and awesome roid rage by Bats.

If you think Bane is a terrible villain in the comics, you have either a) Not read the right stories b) a terrible taste in comics.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Cole436

If you think Bane is a terrible villain in the comics, you have either a) Not read the right stories b) a terrible taste in comics.

I agree with 'tuzzied. The best appearance of Bane prior to this movie in my eyes was when Terry goes and sees him in the animated series Batman Beyond.

[The Goon]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I'm guessing Bruce Wayne wouldn't admit to bankrolling Batman, since then the bad guys would simply target him and his loved ones to get to Batman?

Bruce in fact admitted to bankrolling Batman in a storyline a couple of years ago (before the DC reboot):

http://www.11alive.com/news/article/...Bigger-Mission

The acknowledgment in the final pages comes as Wayne holds a news conference where he asks those gathered: "Some of you may have wondered ... how does a man like Batman afford to constantly update his crime-fighting technology? Where does his money come from?


"Well, the answer is me."

Edit - found a link to an image.

[trackercowe]

Fwiw, Scarecrow/Crane was never part of the League of Shadows, Ra's says as much in Begins.

When Bruce asked Ra's Al Ghul if Crane was a member of the League of Shadows, he said, "Of course not. He thought the plan was to hold the city to ransom".

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Cole436

If you think Bane is a terrible villain in the comics, you have either a) Not read the right stories b) a terrible taste in comics.

A roided wrestler with a mullet is a good villain? The only 'decent' bane story was Vegenance of Bane, which showed the origin of him growing up in prison.

What 'right' stories should i be reading?? hahaha

Hmmm my top 5 comics of all time. You tell me if thats terrible taste or not.

1. Fables
2. 20th Century Boys(best flipping manga ever. I get total goosebumps when i read this and i can no longer read this at night anymore because I can't sleep after. Not scary but super suspenseful)
3. Y the Last Man
4. Preacher
5. Watchmen/Dark Knight Returns