Penn State football officials implicated in covering up on campus child rape by coach

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

One theory floating is something along the lines of a five-year ban on scholarships, bowl appearances and TV exposure. I would imagine something like that would effectively cripple the football program for a decade or more and cost the school millions.

If that was to happen, I actually think it would cripple it forever. SMU is still a shell of it's forever self. They finally made their first bowl appearance since the death penalty in 2009. Took em two decades.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Joborule

If that was to happen, I actually think it would cripple it forever. SMU is still a shell of it's forever self. They finally made their first bowl appearance since the death penalty in 2009. Took em two decades.

On one side Penn State has a lot more history than SMU did ... on the other hand, given how heinous this crime was, it might not matter.

[PIMking]

PSU is a much larger and prominate school and it has a very large donor base so it would hurt for a long time but nothing like SMU.

The NCAA probably wont do anything to PSU but if Northern Ill. gets busted paying a player the ban hammer will come down on them. Delany and the big 10/11/12 will fight tooth and nail to keep it from happening. There is just simply too much money involved

[SeeBass]

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Here is her original post.

http://cognitivedissonance.tumblr.co...paterno-statue

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by PIMking

PSU is a much larger and prominate school and it has a very large donor base so it would hurt for a long time but nothing like SMU.

The NCAA probably wont do anything to PSU but if Northern Ill. gets busted paying a player the ban hammer will come down on them. Delany and the big 10/11/12 will fight tooth and nail to keep it from happening. There is just simply too much money involved

Are you kiddng?

I think they, rightfully, will get absolutely smoked by the NCAA. We may not see them in a bowl game or on TV for a decade, and will probably see them lose half their scholarship abilities for the next 3 years or so.

The NCAA simply cant come across looking weak on this thing just because its PSU.

[wpgflamesfan]

I am the only one who thinks any sort of death penalty for Penn State isn't the right solution to this problem? It basically punishes everyone who had nothing to do with this.
Looking beyond the Penn State program itself, this would absolutely devastate the local economy, which i'm guessing depends tremendously on these football games (and the 100K+ people they bring in for every home game) since it's a town in the middle of absolutely no where. You hurt the Mom & Pop restaurants and stores, all the vendors, field crew, radio guys, etc that work the games out of jobs, and hurt a ton of student athletes who played no part in the situation.

Those who did take part in the scandal should be punished appropriately but a death penalty makes no sense. The school is already going to suffer from all the bad publicity and will probably have to pay out a ton of money due to lawsuits, and if you want to punish them more put a TV ban or something similar in place. Just don't destroy something that the town depends on so much.

[Resolute 14]

Look at the number of denialists in State College, and the number of people who are angry that a trifling little thing like RAPING CHILDREN will impact the football program. It is the very attitude that Penn State football is more important than everything else that enabled Sandusky's enablers. That program deserves the death penalty, and more. And if it kills local businesses, well, their lawyers can go after Penn State for their lost revenue.

Besides, your theory is rather silly since it presumes that the city exists to support the football team instead of the university.

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Look at the number of denialists in State College, and the number of people who are angry that a trifling little thing like RAPING CHILDREN will impact the football program. It is the very attitude that Penn State football is more important than everything else that enabled Sandusky's enablers. That program deserves the death penalty, and more. And if it kills local businesses, well, their lawyers can go after Penn State for their lost revenue.

Besides, your theory is rather silly since it presumes that the city exists to support the football team instead of the university.

What exactly will this punishment prove to anyone though? A majority of the people it will affect had nothing to do with any of it. If you lost your job because some higher up diddled some little kids, would you be all fine and dandy because we have to protect the children?

I understand that sounds really harsh, and I do think what Sandusky did was absolutely horrific, but don't punish someone who had no part in the incident. Go after the guys who did...and go after them hard.

As for the denialists, sure they may be absolutely crazy/sick but at the end of the day that's their own business, and while very questionable is an opinion there allowed to have.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

I am the only one who thinks any sort of death penalty for Penn State isn't the right solution to this problem? It basically punishes everyone who had nothing to do with this.
Looking beyond the Penn State program itself, this would absolutely devastate the local economy, which i'm guessing depends tremendously on these football games (and the 100K+ people they bring in for every home game) since it's a town in the middle of absolutely no where. You hurt the Mom & Pop restaurants and stores, all the vendors, field crew, radio guys, etc that work the games out of jobs, and hurt a ton of student athletes who played no part in the situation.

Those who did take part in the scandal should be punished appropriately but a death penalty makes no sense. The school is already going to suffer from all the bad publicity and will probably have to pay out a ton of money due to lawsuits, and if you want to punish them more put a TV ban or something similar in place. Just don't destroy something that the town depends on so much.

Though some will be impacted by the sanctions coming down tomorrow (who had no knowledge of anything going on within the walls of the institution) that doesnt have anything to do with the punishment to be bestowed. Simply put, this was an institutional wide cover-up that allowed a known child rapist to continue his heinous ways, therefore that very same institution will and must pay the penalties deemed fit for them by their own overseers.

Its going to be ugly around College Station for a long time me thinks.

Think about this....USC just lost 2 years worth of bowl games and some scholarship abilities for the Reggie Bush thing....and just as in this case, those involved were long gone when the punishment was enforced.

How mush worse is this particular "crime" than that of a player getting money from boosters with administration being aware?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

What exactly will this punishment prove to anyone though? A majority of the people it will affect had nothing to do with any of it. If you lost your job because some higher up diddled some little kids, would you be all fine and dandy because we have to protect the children?

There have been plenty of businesses that have failed because of gross misconduct of executives. There is no reason at all why Penn State football is so special that it deserves different treatment. We're talking about easily the single greatest scandal in NCAA history. The NCAA has to hand down a punishment in line with that reality. The fault for collateral damage lies with the people who orchestrated the coverup. And regardless of what Joe Paterno and others accomplished, their legacies will be the enabling of child rape and the utter destruction of Penn State football. One can only hope this outcome will prevent similar coverups by officials at other institutions.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

What exactly will this punishment prove to anyone though? A majority of the people it will affect had nothing to do with any of it. If you lost your job because some higher up diddled some little kids, would you be all fine and dandy because we have to protect the children?

I understand that sounds really harsh, and I do think what Sandusky did was absolutely horrific, but don't punish someone who had no part in the incident. Go after the guys who did...and go after them hard.

As for the denialists, sure they may be absolutely crazy/sick but at the end of the day that's their own business, and while very questionable is an opinion there allowed to have.

That institutional protection of law breakers wont and shouldnt be tolerated.

This isnt about who is there now, this is about ALL schools understanding that their actions in the past or currently will cost them dearly should they choose not to take actions against their employees when found to be doing something against the law.

What are they supposed to do....nothing?

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Joborule

If that was to happen, I actually think it would cripple it forever. SMU is still a shell of it's forever self. They finally made their first bowl appearance since the death penalty in 2009. Took em two decades.

Holy shat. I over slept! I went to bed and woke up in 2029!

[chemgear]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/22/us/pen...html?hpt=hp_t1


Penn State University will be hit with fines in excess of $30 million as part of "significant, unprecedented penalties" expected to be announced Monday by the National Collegiate Athletic Association, a source familiar with the case told CNN on Sunday.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

I am the only one who thinks any sort of death penalty for Penn State isn't the right solution to this problem? It basically punishes everyone who had nothing to do with this. Looking beyond the Penn State program itself, this would absolutely devastate the local economy

^ lolwhat?

Man, those poor luxury goods producers really got screwed when they put Madoff in jail. My god, think of the amount of business they lost and number of people they had to let go. Or the relatives of the drunk driver that murdered an entire family with a cement truck. Man, those relatives totally got screwed emotionally and financially when the drunk driver was sent to jail - they obviously had nothing to do with it; the police never should have put the drunk driver in jail in the first place.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

I am the only one who thinks any sort of death penalty for Penn State isn't the right solution to this problem? It basically punishes everyone who had nothing to do with this.
Looking beyond the Penn State program itself, this would absolutely devastate the local economy, which i'm guessing depends tremendously on these football games (and the 100K+ people they bring in for every home game) since it's a town in the middle of absolutely no where. You hurt the Mom & Pop restaurants and stores, all the vendors, field crew, radio guys, etc that work the games out of jobs, and hurt a ton of student athletes who played no part in the situation.

Those who did take part in the scandal should be punished appropriately but a death penalty makes no sense. The school is already going to suffer from all the bad publicity and will probably have to pay out a ton of money due to lawsuits, and if you want to punish them more put a TV ban or something similar in place. Just don't destroy something that the town depends on so much.

If those local businesses make it or break it based on 6 home games a year...

[Keselke]

Originally Posted by Reaper

Holy shat. I over slept! I went to bed and woke up in 2029!

Phew good thing you caught that, nobody would've know what he was talking about.

We would be lost without you

[MRCboicgy]

I think it's more the cultural protection of lawbreakers is what the NCAA is trying cover here. Considering the NCAA could be considered partially at fault too, for enabling a culture where these football programs have so much power, by coming down hard (and protecting itself).

The lawsuits, possible federal charges and other things levied by a real government are going to be what kills the university.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Keselke

Phew good thing you caught that, nobody would've know what he was talking about.

We would be lost without you

Go play in traffic.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

I am the only one who thinks any sort of death penalty for Penn State isn't the right solution to this problem? It basically punishes everyone who had nothing to do with this.
Looking beyond the Penn State program itself, this would absolutely devastate the local economy, which i'm guessing depends tremendously on these football games (and the 100K+ people they bring in for every home game) since it's a town in the middle of absolutely no where. You hurt the Mom & Pop restaurants and stores, all the vendors, field crew, radio guys, etc that work the games out of jobs, and hurt a ton of student athletes who played no part in the situation.

Those who did take part in the scandal should be punished appropriately but a death penalty makes no sense. The school is already going to suffer from all the bad publicity and will probably have to pay out a ton of money due to lawsuits, and if you want to punish them more put a TV ban or something similar in place. Just don't destroy something that the town depends on so much.

are the current USC players on the roster deserving of the scholarship ban since they weren't there? It's a joke that people use that excuse because most often when the school gets hit they all say that when that's part of the game. If you don't punish the school at all since those players were not there and dont deserve it the cheating will be even worse. Miami has skirted the death penalty a few times but hopefully the NCAA grows a pair and hits them too.