Calgary's bishop putting girls' health at risk

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by FiftyBelow

I'll give it a go. I know i'm probably going to get flamed for this... but I'm just trying to explain a perspective. Go easy on me. When people view pornography and masturbate, I don't think it's a far stretch to suggest that people do so primarily to satisfy personal sexual gratification. Lets be honest, most people aren't watching porn to learn about the female body or with the future desire of potentially meeting a porn star one day and getting to know them as a person. They're doing so to provide pleasure for themselves. The actress is there to provide visual stimuli, but people don't care about them on an emotional/personal level. They're just someone to be looked at as sexual objects.

Now I don't have stats to prove any causation. But given this premise, wouldn't it be possible that a society that promotes masturbation and pornography might also foster a culture where women and men tend to be objectified. Certainly, you could look around and see potential examples of it. The sexified icons of pop culture come to mind. The recent thread in which CP members discuss the totals of partners they've slept with comes to mind. I think someone even posted an image of notches on a bed post. As I've said, I don't have hard facts... just a theory. Would be interesting to see the research though. Anyhow, it's been interesting. I have to drive down to Richmond so I'll check in later. Have a good day everyone.

I'm not really sure why you got flamed for this as much as you did, as there have been a number of sociological studies linking pornography to objectification and violence against women. Unfortunately, the church isn't approaching this from a sociological or scientific angle and, as such, look completely foolish.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I'm not really sure why you got flamed for this as much as you did

Did he get flamed for that post? There were a few replies that disagreed with him and offered a counter-point, but nothing that I would consider a hostile flame post.

[Rathji]

I will admit I am somewhat of an uneducated dolt on this subject, but if sexual activity is the only way to get the virus, how did anyone get it in the first place?

Surely there must be some other way, even if it is a small chance.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I will admit I am somewhat of an uneducated dolt on this subject, but if sexual activity is the only way to get the virus, how did anyone get it in the first place?

Surely there must be some other way, even if it is a small chance.

There doesn't need to be intercourse.

How is HPV transmitted?
HPVs that infect the genital area are sexually transmitted.

HPV viruses are very common. So much so that more than 75% of women and men will have this type of infection at one point of their life or another, and between 10% and 70% of women and men have HPV at any one time. HPV is most common in young women and men who are in their late teens and early 20s.

HPV can be transmitted through skin-to-skin sexual contact, whether or not there is penetration. It can be transmitted through vaginal or anal intercourse, oral sex and mutual masturbation (genital touching). The vaginal and anal tracts are particularly susceptible to sexually-transmitted HPV and the risk of transmission is greatest during penetration without a condom. This being said, HPV is also found on parts of the body such as the vulva, scrotum and inner thighs which are not covered by a condom. It is thus possible to for partners to transmit HPV even when a condom is used.

HPV can be transmitted through vaginal sex, anal sex, oral sex, or skin-to-skin contact of the genitals.

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[Rathji]

Originally Posted by First Lady

There doesn't need to be intercourse.



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All those things would fall under what I would call sexual activity.

Maybe I didnt explain my question properly, or maybe it is just another form of the chicken and the egg question, but where did the virus come from in the first place?

Is that known? Does it occur anywhere else in nature?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Did he get flamed for that post? There were a few replies that disagreed with him and offered a counter-point, but nothing that I would consider a hostile flame post.

Yeah, you're right. My bad. I did think he brought up a good point that could be debated in another thread.

[Thor]

Gods punishment for promiscuous girls obviously.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, you're right. My bad. I did think he brought up a good point that could be debated in another thread.

Take note of this important fact, sexually healthy nations like Sweden have much lower pornography consumption than a place like say Japan or the US where we all know how messed up sexuality is treated.

So this idea of masturbation being bad is silly, the idea that a lot of pornography not being healthy is as we are discovering not good for you. In fact people who download and view a lot of pornography are having similar reactions and chemical responses to it as with other addictions.

Now casual enjoyment of pornography is another thing all together, but I would definitely be interested in areas with high use of pornography being nations we would identify as more sexually repressed nations or in the case of the US repressed states.

Maybe this is worth another thread I don't know.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Thor

Take note of this important fact, sexually healthy nations like Sweden have much lower pornography consumption than a place like say Japan or the US where we all know how messed up sexuality is treated.

So this idea of masturbation being bad is silly, the idea that a lot of pornography not being healthy is as we are discovering not good for you. In fact people who download and view a lot of pornography are having similar reactions and chemical responses to it as with other addictions.

Now casual enjoyment of pornography is another thing all together, but I would definitely be interested in areas with high use of pornography being nations we would identify as more sexually repressed nations or in the case of the US repressed states.

Maybe this is worth another thread I don't know.

Yeah, this is sort of what I was getting at. It's also not surprising that the places where pornography is most popular seem to be the places were women are more blatantly dehumanized.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Rathji

All those things would fall under what I would call sexual activity.

Maybe I didnt explain my question properly, or maybe it is just another form of the chicken and the egg question, but where did the virus come from in the first place?

Is that known? Does it occur anywhere else in nature?

Ahh okay... found this. Not sure of accuracy.

Where did HPV originate from?
HPV is spreading at a fast rate and has become more common. HPV has developed into many different types of strains and some infected people have developed cancer within the lower extremities. One of the most devastating aspects of the disease is that once it enters the body, it’s not curable. This virus is a papillomavirus, which is the oldest, largest and most diverse type of viruses. History shows that the relative of this type of virus resulted in sprout warts dating back to dinosaurs.

Most professionals believe that HPV first appeared 700 million years ago and has been multiplying, spreading and evolving since. As of today, the virus has become so very common that millions of people have contracted it. Since this virus enters the body through skin to skin contact or sexual intercourse, people should be very careful while choosing a sexual partner and use protection while practicing sex. Practicing safe sex is very important, as this serious virus can enter the body very easily and remain forever.

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[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Thor

Maybe this is worth another thread I don't know.

I believe that would be a "Tiger Woods" thread.

[joe_mullen]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

Can someone explain to me why a school administrator (Catholic or otherwise) has any say whatsoever in a public health issue? Shouldn't medical decisions be left solely in the hands of doctors and other health care professionals?

completely off topic, but this isn't the first time this has happened in recent memory. see the water fluoridation decision made by city alderpersons.

[troutman]

Bishop Henry resigns . . .

Pope accepts resignation of Alberta bishop who opposed LGBTQ school rules

http://globalnews.ca/news/3159564/po...resigns-lgbtq/

[PsYcNeT]

Forgot we had a thread about this.

Guess he got tired of crusading against progress.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by troutman

Bishop Henry resigns . . .

Pope accepts resignation of Alberta bishop who opposed LGBTQ school rules

http://globalnews.ca/news/3159564/po...resigns-lgbtq/

Good, he's a piece of ####.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Forgot we had a thread about this.

Guess he got tired of crusading against progress.

Well about a year or two ago he eventually allowed the vaccinations in schools when no evidence of increase promiscuity was found by a study. Good riddance though, he was conservative even by catholic standards.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Canehdianman

Good, he's a piece of ####.

I know, it's an Internet forum... But whatever happened to the elementary civility? Not only you have insulted a really good man, you have also insulted over one million Catholics in Alberta. If you had said something like this about a local Muslim leader, your life could have been in jeopardy.

I am not a Catholic and I do not agree with Catholic doctrines on many (actually, most) issues. But I have known Bishop Henry personally for over 18 years since his arrival in Calgary and count him as one of the smartest, most intelligent, wisest and kindest people I have ever known. He is retiring due to a rapidly deteriorating health issue and has been physically suffering for a long time before finally deciding to ask the Pope to allow for his retirement.

Disagree with spiritual/religious stances all you want. Just don't be an a$$.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

If you had said something like this about a local Muslim leader, your life could have been in jeopardy.

Haha what?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I know, it's an Internet forum... But whatever happened to the elementary civility? Not only you have insulted a really good man, you have also insulted over one million Catholics in Alberta. If you had said something like this about a local Muslim leader, your life could have been in jeopardy.

I am not a Catholic and I do not agree with Catholic doctrines on many (actually, most) issues. But I have known Bishop Henry personally for over 18 years since his arrival in Calgary and count him as one of the smartest, most intelligent, wisest and kindest people I have ever known. He is retiring due to a rapidly deteriorating health issue and has been physically suffering for a long time before finally deciding to ask the Pope to allow for his retirement.

Disagree with spiritual/religious stances all you want. Just don't be an a$$.

So Muslims are guaranteed to be more violent than Catholics?

And for the last part, I agree. Don't be an a$$.

[Canehdianman]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I know, it's an Internet forum... But whatever happened to the elementary civility? Not only you have insulted a really good man, you have also insulted over one million Catholics in Alberta. If you had said something like this about a local Muslim leader, your life could have been in jeopardy.

I am not a Catholic and I do not agree with Catholic doctrines on many (actually, most) issues. But I have known Bishop Henry personally for over 18 years since his arrival in Calgary and count him as one of the smartest, most intelligent, wisest and kindest people I have ever known. He is retiring due to a rapidly deteriorating health issue and has been physically suffering for a long time before finally deciding to ask the Pope to allow for his retirement.

Disagree with spiritual/religious stances all you want. Just don't be an a$$.

Are you kidding me? I didn't say anything about Catholicism at all.

You think the Bishop was a great man, feel free to post up some of the outstanding things you think he's done.

Personally, I think he's a piece of ####.

P.S. alluding to the fact that local Muslims would lean towards violence quicker than Catholics is amusing, in a sad sort of way.