[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/6/25/putt...nce-in-context

Kent says as much in his piece, but the NHLE only describes how a player's performance will IMMEDIATELY translate at the NHL level, and the Flames brass, scouts, and observers were all unanimous that Jankowski will not be ready for the NHL for at least another three years. Of course his equivalency will be very low, but that shouldn't be of much concern to anyone here, given that he was not drafted to fill an immediate role on the team. Precisely for that, it is somewhat silly and pointless to gauge the quality of this pick based on how he would perform in the NHL this season. Professional NHL scouts are experienced enough that they can readily detect high-end skill and vision, even for players who are playing to relatively much lower levels of competition. If Jankowski was a different kind of player, then I would be more concerned about his future long-term potential, but precisely because he is a playmaker and has been noted as an exceptional puck distributor, this is a skill that is entirely dependant upon his linemates's abilities to convert his plays. In other words, his vision and his ability to anticipate plays and place the puck will not suddenly diminish at a higher level of competition; certainly not to the degree like what we witnesses in Chuck Kobasew and Ryan Howse: two goal scorers who struggled to convert quality plays at a higher level.

[Rerun]

Jankowski has no shortage of believers. What Nate Leaman, coach at Providence College, and Dubuque Fighting Saints Head Coach/General Manager Jim Montgomery have to say:

For starters, Nate Leaman, coach at Providence College, which just happens to be the lad’s school of choice.

“You’re talking about a guy who wasn’t even on Central Scouting’s radar eight months ago — and to go in the first round of the draft?” said Leaman. “If you were to talk to him and see how humble he is, none of that has gone to his head. He’s an extremely mature kid. He’s a great student. All these things, I think, factor into being a very good NHL player. And Mark has all the talent on the ice.”
After following Jankowski during the 2010-11 campaign, he went to watch him early last season at a tournament in Vermont.
“From the first period I saw him, I knew, ‘Wow, what a great step he’d taken,’ and that we wanted to have him as part of our program,” said Leaman. “There’s no doubt, in college, that he projects as a No. 1 centreman. He can do everything extremely well. He skates well. He handles the puck well. He sees the ice very well. But the biggest thing about him is he makes the players around him better.
“I obviously have a very biased opinion, but I see all the great characteristics in Mark. His character off the ice is outstanding. The work ethic is outstanding.”

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Jankowski+pick+draws+some+rave+reviews/6831951/story.html#ixzz1yps7mMkQ

“Mark is a tremendous young hockey talent,” Montgomery said. “He is going to be the first player in the USHL that was drafted in the first round that comes and plays in our league. Mark is going to be someone that takes the fans out of their seats when they watch him play next year.”

http://www.dubuquefightingsaints.com/slideshow_story.php?sid=472

[devo22]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Button obviously knew from his brother who they were going after. In hindsight it is pretty clear the Buttons share info.

you wanna know where Craig had Sieloff? That's right, at 42 ...

There was actually a third Flames pick in Craig's top 60, as he also had Jon Gillies at 56.

[Mitch]

Andy Strickland ‏@andystrickland
Remember in 2005 the #stlblues got crushed for taking t.J. Oshie at 24 b/c scouting services had him ranked much lower #giveittime

True that

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by devo22

you wanna know where Craig had Sieloff? That's right, at 42 ...

There was actually a third Flames pick in Craig's top 60, as he also had Jon Gillies at 56.

Interesting.

Coincidence?

I wonder how closely the Flames draft list resembles Craigs?

[Canada 02]

obvious coincidence

how could C.Button know the Flames would trade down and get #42?
Also, the Flames had Sieloff at 20 on their list

[sureLoss]

They also emphasized that they tried to trade up in the 2nd round.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

obvious coincidence

how could C.Button know the Flames would trade down and get #42?
Also, the Flames had Sieloff at 20 on their list

Todd should be given a little talking to. "Give your brother another inside piece about our operation and your gone".

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Kent says as much in his piece, but the NHLE only describes how a player's performance will IMMEDIATELY translate at the NHL level, and the Flames brass, scouts, and observers were all unanimous that Jankowski will not be ready for the NHL for at least another three years.

I would also question how accurate a linear equivalency co-efficient is... does a linear model hold at the tails?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Jankowski has no shortage of believers. What Nate Leaman, coach at Providence College, and Dubuque Fighting Saints Head Coach/General Manager Jim Montgomery have to say:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/Jankowski+pick+draws+some+rave+reviews/6831951/story.html#ixzz1yps7mMkQ

http://www.dubuquefightingsaints.com/slideshow_story.php?sid=472

Those are guys with biased interests in the player though. I'm more interested in comments like Strickland's from other GM's

[Ashasx]

Does anyone plan to go to the development camp?

I figure this is the soonest we'll see Jankowski playing with a fairer level of competition. If I'm not mistaken we had a couple guys take some video last year. That'd be awesome.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by nik-

Those are guys with biased interests in the player though. I'm more interested in comments like Strickland's from other GM's

I dunno when Montgomery compared Jankowski to a 6'3 Gaudreau, I almost creamed my pants.

[MrMastodonFarm]

re: talk about his hands

I know SebC made some crack about wide angle lens in regards to his hands but check out his draft video when he went up to the podium. His hands are massive. It's like looking at a puppy's paws. The body is tiny but the paws are huge, you get a good gauge of how big the guy is gonna be.

Might be silly thing, and probably is but if he fills out he's going to be a big solid hockey player.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Does anyone plan to go to the development camp?

I figure this is the soonest we'll see Jankowski playing with a fairer level of competition. If I'm not mistaken we had a couple guys take some video last year. That'd be awesome.

I believe that was Nehkara (sp?). I got to give a BIG thank you to Nehkara for doing that. If I lived closer to Calgary I'd definitely go, but I don't so those videos of development camp are very very appreciated.

[fanman]

^^Yes, yes and yes. More videos of camp please! That was awesome and another big thanks for doing that.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

re: talk about his hands

I know SebC made some crack about wide angle lens in regards to his hands but check out his draft video when he went up to the podium. His hands are massive. It's like looking at a puppy's paws. The body is tiny but the paws are huge, you get a good gauge of how big the guy is gonna be.

Might be silly thing, and probably is but if he fills out he's going to be a big solid hockey player.

It's not silly at all, it's why I mentioned it.

However,

Spoiler!

[VERVE]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I just want to point out that not all draft lists had Jankowski being drafted in the second round. Craig Button had him ranked #14. so getting him at #21 was a steal.

Not sure if this has been posted yet but according to Kyle Woodlief of Redline Report who is a very well respected scout and which 30 NHL teams subscribe to him has listed Jankowski at #15 of the first round.

"14. Calgary — Olli Maatta. The Flames could really use a steady, dependable presence on the blue line to add to their prospect stable, and this feels too good to be true.
15. Ottawa — Mark Jankowski. Has the feel of a Tim Murray shoot-for-the-home-run upside type of pick.
16. Washington — Radek Faksa. As long as they're adding size down the middle, might as well take Faksa, too. It's a yin-yang sort of thing: Grigorenko has never seen his defensive zone, while Faksa is the most responsible defensive center in the draft...."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...aft/55649854/1

[FAN]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Not sure if this has been posted yet but according to Kyle Woodlief of Redline Report who is a very well respected scout and which 30 NHL teams subscribe to him has listed Jankowski at #15 of the first round.

"14. Calgary — Olli Maatta. The Flames could really use a steady, dependable presence on the blue line to add to their prospect stable, and this feels too good to be true.
15. Ottawa — Mark Jankowski. Has the feel of a Tim Murray shoot-for-the-home-run upside type of pick.
16. Washington — Radek Faksa. As long as they're adding size down the middle, might as well take Faksa, too. It's a yin-yang sort of thing: Grigorenko has never seen his defensive zone, while Faksa is the most responsible defensive center in the draft...."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...aft/55649854/1

No. Redline Report had Jankowski ranked 28th (still good) and where RLR would pick him. For those unfamiliar with Redline Report, like other draft guides such as ISS, they rank guys according to where they would have picked the guy (i.e. it's their list that they would follow on draft day). The mock draft is completely separate and takes into consideration team needs and draft tendencies (purpose being to predict where guys would go).

[Miniac]

Great interview with Weisbrod. I apologize if this has been posted already.

Weisbrod said "if Jankowski were two days older, he would have been in the top five next year." (~ 2:10)

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...d=11&id=182589

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by VERVE

Not sure if this has been posted yet but according to Kyle Woodlief of Redline Report who is a very well respected scout and which 30 NHL teams subscribe to him has listed Jankowski at #15 of the first round.

"14. Calgary — Olli Maatta. The Flames could really use a steady, dependable presence on the blue line to add to their prospect stable, and this feels too good to be true.
15. Ottawa — Mark Jankowski. Has the feel of a Tim Murray shoot-for-the-home-run upside type of pick.
16. Washington — Radek Faksa. As long as they're adding size down the middle, might as well take Faksa, too. It's a yin-yang sort of thing: Grigorenko has never seen his defensive zone, while Faksa is the most responsible defensive center in the draft...."

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hocke...aft/55649854/1

yeah...that list has TT as 5th, so not sure how much weight you want to put on it.

edit not sure if the OP was serious in using that ranking in particular.