Can you trust Justin Trudeau and the Liberal Party?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Sorry, I'm still recovering from a concussion, was he prime minister before or after Mulrooney?

Sorry, I'm just trying to establish a theory here.

Basically, from the people I've talked to about this, no one has a glowing endorsement of Harper.

Bring up Preston Manning however, and the same people are falling all over themselves about him.

From that perspective, and we saw evidence during the last election, a charismatic opposition leader may be all it takes to unseat an unlikeable Harper.

This Trudeau thing has legs because he is LIKEABLE. Canadians, by and larger, dislike Harper.

I'm trying to establish whether that's the case even in his own territory.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

And hey, maybe the Liberal's can stuff a few envelopes with cash and re-activate their Quebec distribution network

That they can. Understand I find most politicians and political parties to be corrupt. The Liberals like their bribes and the Conservatives like subverting democracy. Not sure what the NDP does worse than the rest, rioting maybe?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Sorry, I'm just trying to establish a theory here.

Basically, from the people I've talked to about this, no one has a glowing endorsement of Harper.

Bring up Preston Manning however, and the same people are falling all over themselves about him.

From that perspective, and we saw evidence during the last election, a charismatic opposition leader may be all it takes to unseat an unlikeable Harper.

This Trudeau thing has legs because he is LIKEABLE. Canadians, by and larger, dislike Harper.

I'm trying to establish whether that's the case even in his own territory.

I respected Manning, but I didn't fall all over myself for him because while he was a solid person, I couldn't see him leading a nation.

I think that Trudeau's act would wear thin when or if he becomes a party leader, if I recall correctly he didn't exactly blast his way to a seat in his last election.

there's a love affair with the guy because he swore in parliment, had a boxing match and talked tough once. But the press is giving him all the love he can get right now.

Personally I would be very interested to see a debate between Trudeau and Harper, I think it would be . . . educational.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

That they can. Understand I find most politicians and political parties to be corrupt. The Liberals like their bribes and the Conservatives like subverting democracy. Not sure what the NDP does worse than the rest, rioting maybe?

Happy ending massages for all? (sorry)

They don't need to be corrupt up until this point, they could promise the moon intheir campaign and never have to sorry about delivering it.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

A plain-jane liberal?

Maybe, but only because the Liberals themselves have shifted significantly to the right on matters of fiscal responsibility in the last ~15 years. I can't imagine the Liberal Party of Lester Pearson, Pierre Trudeau, or John Turner lowering personal and corporate tax rates while also significantly reducing the size of the federal government like Chretien/Martin did.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Spoiler!

Another poll showing while Trudeau helps the Libs, the NDP is on track for a 2015 minority.

[Bobblehead]

Could you put that graphic in a spoiler tag or something so it doesn't screw up the forum formatting?

TIA

[Rerun]

I'm always surprised at the overwhelming support that the Liberal Party seems to enjoy on this board...

... particularly when in the last federal election on May 2, 2011 (slightly over 1 year ago), the popular vote for the CPC, in Calgary was 69.3% whereas the Liberal Party got 11.1%

So, either every Liberal in Calgary is a CP member or the silent majority truly is silent on CP.


P.S. As a leader I like Stephen Harper. This is the guy that took the CPC party from a bunch of right wing Reformers to the current party as it is. Give the guy credit where credit is due. He beat a party that had governed Canada for the last 20 some years (and they bragged about being the "natural governing party"), a party that had governed Canada for most of the last 100 years, and a party where campaign funding, historically, was never a problem.

As a person.... meh... what can you say... he's an accountant. Not too many charasmatic accountants out there. But, I'll tell you, overall I'd rather have an accountant as PM rather than a lawyer (no offense to all the lawyers on here).

[MarchHare]

I'm always surprised at the overwhelming support that the Liberal Party seems to enjoy on this board...

What?

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

What?

All you have to do is read this thread alone, and look at all the anti-conservative party comments here... far out-stripping the pro conservative party comments.

I'm making the assumption that most of those anti posters will vote Liberal... but then again, maybe I'm wrong and a lot will vote NDP too.

[trublmaker]

sooner trust Justin Bieber than a Trudeau.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by trublmaker

sooner trust Justin Bieber than a Trudeau.

Might be too soon for a lesbien female prime minister give it a few years.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rerun

All you have to do is read this thread alone, and look at all the anti-conservative party comments here... far out-stripping the pro conservative party comments.

I'm making the assumption that most of those anti posters will vote Liberal... but then again, maybe I'm wrong and a lot will vote NDP too.

It's because the title and topic is practically taunting Liberal supporters to respond. Really, the conservatives around here should feel pretty secure that I don't think think most feel the need to jump in. If I started a thread that targeted Harper and the Conservatives, you would probably see way more conservatives responding.

I think the Conservatives have governed as well as anyone else would. I do want to see a stonger centrist option and hope the Liberal party can get back there, but a lot of the criticism is warranted at the moment.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpr.../forumpoll.jpg

Another poll showing while Trudeau helps the Libs, the NDP is on track for a 2015 minority.

Since we are quoting polls, here's a recent one (June 5-7) by Ipsos Reid,

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news-polls/p...e.aspx?id=5654

Majority (56%) of Canadians Agree Liberal Party is a ‘Party of the Past’

If the Liberals are hoping that finding a permanent leader will turn around their party’s fortunes, Canadians remain divided on the question. One half (52%) ‘agree’ (21% strongly/31% somewhat) that ‘regardless of who the Liberals choose as their next leader’, they’ve ‘pretty much written off the Liberals’. The other half (48%) of Canadians ‘disagree’ (16% strongly/32% somewhat), believing that the Liberals will once again be a force to be reckoned with. Interestingly, six in ten (61%) current NDP supporters agree that they’ve written off the Liberals, as have seven in ten (70%) Conservative supporters

Half (52%) of Canadians Have ‘Written Off the Liberals’, Harper Bests all Current Party Leaders in Positive Impressions

On the topic of leadership, the data reveal that Stephen Harper bests all current party leaders when it comes to leaving a positive impression on Canadians. Three in ten (28%) have a positive impression of Conservative leader and Prime Minister Stephen Harper, followed in second place by newly-elected NDP leader Thomas Mulcair (19%), despite being in the national spotlight for only a short time. In third place is interim Liberal leader Bob Rae (18%), followed by Elizabeth May (16%). In Quebec, just 8% say that Daniel Paille has left a positive impression on them.

[CaptainCrunch]

Polls are becoming increasingly irrelevant, we certainly saw the biggest universal polling fail during the Alberta election.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Polls are becoming increasingly irrelevant, we certainly saw the biggest universal polling fail during the Alberta election.

Very true.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Polls are becoming increasingly irrelevant, we certainly saw the biggest universal polling fail during the Alberta election.

As someone else eluded to as well, it's really easy to hate the guy in power that has to make the hard decisions. It's true no matter who is in power. The opportunity to govern means there are opportunities to make mistakes that the opposition are not in a position to make, which of course get jumped on.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Alberta poll was so far off it seems more like an anamoly to me. These polls are also more realistic and representative because they are over a much larger period of time than the 4-6 weeks or so we had here. Just looking at the polls it has to be very troubling for Conservatives how flat their support has been since February. MarchHare said it but their support basically peaked in the last election, so they will lose seats next election, the question is obviously how many?

Also we get it Rerun, you utterly dispise the Liberal Party, and many of us hear are none too fond of the Conservatives. The difference I think is that those of us who are not too fond of the Conservatives would actually consider voting for them if they actually were fiscal conservatives and left the social stuff alone, which is what many of us see more in the Liberal Party, hence why they are more likely to get our support. We like centrist government, and while the name Liberal is essentially worse than communist to some, if you actually examine their platform and record (and not their sins), they actually aren't nearly as bad as their made out to be in Alberta.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Rerun

All you have to do is read this thread alone, and look at all the anti-conservative party comments here... far out-stripping the pro conservative party comments.

I'm making the assumption that most of those anti posters will vote Liberal... but then again, maybe I'm wrong and a lot will vote NDP too.

Go read the threads dedicated to any of the recent federal elections (2011, 2008, 2006, etc.) when more people were paying attention to politics and participating in political threads. You'll see that CPC supporters on this forum were a very clear majority.

I will grant that (L/l)iberal support on CP is slightly disproportionate to actual Calgary election results, but that's likely because the demographics of Internet message boards tend to skew a certain way. Nonetheless, CP is still very much a pro-Conservative forum.

[GP_Matt]

Something that the Conservative government has been doing quietly but aggressively is pushing the free trade agreements. I like it for two reasons. One, free trade to me makes so much sense. The current system of putting tariffs on random things is really just a money transfer from society to whatever industry is benefiting from the tariff. The second reason is that every time a free trade agreement is discussed supply management comes up. Eventually supply management has to be taken apart and removed, the sooner the better.

I do disagree with some (maybe several) of the conservative decisions lately but definitely feel that if any party is going to tear up supply management it will be them.