South Dakota bans abortions

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by FFR

So as soon as the baby leaves the mothers womb....she has no burdens for the rest of her life. You're speaking like once the birth is over, its only the man's responsibilty for the next 18 years. I can tell you that raising a child is a lot more difficult, time consuming and expensive than 18 years of child subsidizing. Grow up.

either some people here are really too narrow minded to give what i'm saying a shot or i'm not expressing myself properly. being pregnant compared to rasing and caring for another human being. I know which I would consider a harder and more of a burden - raising it. who's saying that the mother has to raise it? idealy the mother and father share this responsibility. the mother might do it alone. the father might do it alone. or it could be put up for adoption and a different couple could do it. I certainly wasn't saying that the father's only responsibility either should be or will be a financial one. but at bare minimum, by law, it is.

[Vulcan]

"I'm just challlenging people to think about when it's justified to kill somebody."

I suggest that you use correct facts then. They either respond or they don't.
You are equating abortion to murder, something that is far from being decided.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

"I'm just challlenging people to think about when it's justified to kill somebody."

I suggest that you use correct facts then. They either respond or they don't.
You are equating abortion to murder, something that is far from being decided.

All my facts are correct. Killing a baby before its born in my opinion is murder.
By all the definitions people have given for life, barring two exceptions, a fetus is alive. The two exceptions are taking the first breath and being able to reproduce (so you're not officially alive till puberty?)

I'd invite you to prove any of my facts wrong, but seeing as how you won't be able to and this is my last post in this thread, I don't know if you should bother wasting your time. I've said all I need to say. Anyone who is pro-abortion I wasn't goign to sway anyway. Anyonewho was on the fence and wanted to actually think about it, I've given some information for you to form your own opinion on.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

All my facts are correct. Killing a baby before its born in my opinion is murder.
By all the definitions people have given for life, barring two exceptions, a fetus is alive. The two exceptions are taking the first breath and being able to reproduce (so you're not officially alive till puberty?)

I'd invite you to prove any of my facts wrong, but seeing as how you won't be able to and this is my last post in this thread, I don't know if you should bother wasting your time. I've said all I need to say. Anyone who is pro-abortion I wasn't goign to sway anyway. Anyonewho was on the fence and wanted to actually think about it, I've given some information for you to form your own opinion on.

Well I just showed that your facts were wrong. 'Talk about blind faith'.

[Phaneuf3]

I can't believe I am letting myself get drawn back itno this... especially so soon.... show me one FACT that I got wrong. not an opinion i've made, not a conclusion based on a fact... show me a FACT that's wrong

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

First off if being alive means being able to respond intelligently and being able to think.... sorry but most people can be morally killed then

seriously though...

under 2 months babies don't respond to any stimuli more than they do in the womb.

about 3-4 months is when they start being able to recognize and react to people's faces and remember who's a stranger and who their mother is

most people that study child development say that the baby will develop a concept of self and realize they are a seperate entity from their mother at about 5 months.

Just what does this have to do with what I was talking about? Nothing like totally changing the subject to skirt the issue.

No where did I say that a baby after being born was not "alive". That's stupid.

I specifically mentioned that a fetus, while still in the womb, can demonstrate intelligent reactions. I also said that I don't know when that dividing line between "alive" and "not-alive" would be.

You seem to think that the second that the sperm penetrates the egg, an alive baby is formed. I disagree with that.

[calculoso]

"I'm just challlenging people to think about when it's justified to kill somebody."

We're not discussion when it's justified to kill somebody.

We're discussing when a body becomes a somebody.

Get it straight!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf3

All my facts are correct. Killing a baby before its born in my opinion is murder.
By all the definitions people have given for life, barring two exceptions, a fetus is alive. The two exceptions are taking the first breath and being able to reproduce (so you're not officially alive till puberty?)

I'd invite you to prove any of my facts wrong, but seeing as how you won't be able to and this is my last post in this thread, I don't know if you should bother wasting your time. I've said all I need to say. Anyone who is pro-abortion I wasn't goign to sway anyway. Anyonewho was on the fence and wanted to actually think about it, I've given some information for you to form your own opinion on.

You quote "under 2 months babies don't respond to any stimuli more than they do in the womb".
I showed this is obviously wrong but you blindly carry on with your agenda.