South Dakota bans abortions

[habernac]

The bill would make it a crime for doctors to perform an abortion unless the procedure was necessary to save the woman's life. It would make no exception for cases of rape or incest.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/....ap/index.html



Welcome to the dark ages....

[Mike F]

Technically a Fata, although a bit of an update.

[mbrown]

Ok rape and incest should be made exceptions, but I don't see the dark ages analogy.

[ken0042]

I think that was exactly what the "dark ages" anaolgy was pointing at.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

I'm not really pro-life or pro-choice, so please don't jump on me, I don't even want to get into an is abortion alright arguement, I just want to point out something that I think is kind of strange. I don't understand the stance of people who think abortion should be illegal except in the case of rape or incest.

Seriously, if you are against abortion I would assume it is because you think a fetus is a live regardless of its stage of developement right? So what difference does it make what circumstances the fetus was concieved under? Is it a life or isn't it? You can't go around using the "Life is sacred" arguement, and then attach a condition to it.

If you want to use the "But imagine the trauma for the mother and the baby under those circumstances" arguement, you could use that just as well for a baby with a sever handicap, or an unloved accidental pregnancy. I'm usually not one to go to a slipery slope arguement, but abortion is one of those issues that really lends itself to it.

So if you're one of those people who think it should be illegal, but not in the case of incest or rape, could you please explain why/how you make that distiction?

All this being said, I suppose I'm actually kind pro-choice as I think that certainly in cases of rape and incest a woman should have the right to choose to keep the baby or not, but I don't like the idea of abortion when it is used by stupid people who do stupid things and are trying to fix a situation that they created.

[Cube Inmate]

Agreed...back to the dark ages. I also have mixed feelings on this issue, but I have no mixed feelings on an outright ban...that's just stupid.

Here you've got a country in which the "sanctity of life" is so important that many people would make emergency contraceptives illegal, but would also advocate the death penalty...as in states like S. Dakota. It's people like these who should have been aborted in the first place for lack of intelligence. I guess I should readily admit that there are people like that in Canada too.

I personally don't believe in the sanctity of life. I believe that my own life is important, as are those of the people I care about. I respect that other people's lives are important to them, but I don't grieve for the life of a tsunami victim I didn't know...death happens. I have empathy...I try not to cause other people pain. I hate seeing others suffering. I sometimes feel bad when I crush an ant. I don't hunt, because I see no reason to cause animals any pain. Other people think differently, and that's up to them as long as they're not making me pull the trigger or clean up the carcass.

I wear leather and I eat steak, but I don't personally kill the cows. Maybe I'm a hypocrite, or maybe I'm a real, live human with no "absolute" rights and wrongs.

All of that said, I support a woman's right to do what she wants with her body, but I don't have to respect it in cases I don't agree with (e.g. getting 4 abortions after repeated careless sex). Personally, I'd have a hell of a time deciding what to do if I found out my kid was going to have Down syndrome or something.... how can there be a "right" answer in a case like that? It's a lose-lose situation*, and it's up to the individual.

*Don't mean to offend any parents of Down syndrome kids...I just know that I would personally be very troubled if a doctor told me my kid was going to be born that way. It would be a hard life as a parent, and it would be a hard decision to abort and possibly live with the guilt.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Idiots.





That's all I have to say.

[Hakan]

God bless err uhh God!

[FireFly]

On a related note, anyone see the new ad campaign the U of C has approved for placement on campus by a pro-life group? That's some disturbing stuff.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by FireFly

On a related note, anyone see the new ad campaign the U of C has approved for placement on campus by a pro-life group? That's some disturbing stuff.

It's not at all new. They do the same thing every year.

[Displaced Flames fan]

The law will be struck down by the Supreme Court. It'll take someone to stand up and challenge it first of course.

I'm no fan of liberal abortion laws, but I'm even less of a fan of banning it.

I think there should be a happy medium...and that's what exists in most states.

[Cheese]

One of the main reasons...

Pope says 'embryo' as valid as 'human adult' in God's eyes

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by peter12

It's not at all new. They do the same thing every year.

Pardon me.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by peter12

It's not at all new. They do the same thing every year.

Isn't it different this year. There was a huge issue about the location and limits of it this year. They were only going to be allowed a closed off area that had to been seen by willing viewers.
Last year they had their signs up by the train station and there was a lot of bru-haha, ripping posters down, offended people, almost fights etc.

The SU was putting limits on because of that, and the anti-abortion group was threatening to sue them.
Not sure how things ended up, havn't heard about it in a while. Anyone know?

[Nehkara]

I like the system in Canada... and outright banning abortion is just more evidence that the separation of Church and State in the US is quickly becoming a myth rather than fact.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Isn't it different this year. There was a huge issue about the location and limits of it this year. They were only going to be allowed a closed off area that had to been seen by willing viewers.
Last year they had their signs up by the train station and there was a lot of bru-haha, ripping posters down, offended people, almost fights etc.

The SU was putting limits on because of that, and the anti-abortion group was threatening to sue them.
Not sure how things ended up, havn't heard about it in a while. Anyone know?

Oh yeah, I believe the method of presentation is the same as it was last year. Ie. pictures of lynched bodies, Holocaust and aborted fetuses.

[Igottago]

The deep south really freaks me out sometimes...seriously, how can this be happening in 2006? I thought it was the land of the free..

[Flash Walken]

This incest and rape justification is stupid.

If it's a life, it's a life. Just because the woman was raped doesn't mean the baby is the evil seed of satan.

If you're willing to accept abortion for incest or rape, you should be willing to accept abortion as a means of birth control. It might be morally repugnant, but a life is a life is a life, if that's how you think.

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The deep south really freaks me out sometimes...seriously, how can this be happening in 2006? I thought it was the land of the free..

...free to be happily fundamentalist christian.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The deep south really freaks me out sometimes...seriously, how can this be happening in 2006? I thought it was the land of the free..

Deep south? South Dakota ain't exactly in the south.

And enough with mocking the land of the free thing. It's so old.